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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi John – <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The biggest reason I could really see for restricting
open-access to data is in the instance of someone trying to discredit our
program or work in some way. I would certainly hope this would not be a
common occurrence, however we do occasionally encounter people that find fault
with one aspect of our work or another. For example, what about the
possibility of someone concerned about the use of Round-Up? With
open-access they could easily document how much we use in our orchards, and use
those data to paint us in a bad light. Or what about someone looking at
our ratings data to show that blight-resistance is not guaranteed, regardless
of whether or not they understand our breeding program? These may be
extreme, and hopefully paranoid, possibilities, but I think it is worth
considering that not everyone wishing to access and export data will have
TACF’s, and our chapters’, best interest at heart. It is easy
enough to manipulate data, usually by omitting pertinent details, in order to
cast research in a negative light. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I think it is easy for us to assume that only good could come
from open access – we have a really great mission – but it would be
a shame if that assumption came back to bite us. The Terms of Use
agreement for the database would certainly ask that any use of the system be
in-line with TACF’s mission, but not everyone out there is as honest as
we might hope. I’m very proud of all of our chapters and would hate
to see any negative consequences come from this project. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sorry to be so pessimistic, but it is worth considering the
possible implications of open-access – both positive and negative.
I think it will be up to <b>each chapter</b> to decide if the positives
outweigh the negatives for their data.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Best –<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Kendra<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Kendra Gurney<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>802.999.8706 (cell)</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
masschestnutorchards-bounces@masschestnut.org
[mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces@masschestnut.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mirick,
John O.<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 25, 2010 11:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> masschestnutorchards@masschestnut.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
Permissions (Database Project)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>At the risk of being too provocative, can anyone articulate a
reason to RESTRICT use of our data? For publication or otherwise?
(I appreciate that I’m approaching this issue as a layperson, rather than
as a graduate student or faculty member.) But if someone in a university
program wants to review our data and write a paper, say on the growth rate of
BC3 crosses in glacial till in Zone 4 in Massachusetts as compared to sandy
soil in Zone 5, or on survival rate of germinated seeds with irrigation systems
as compared to occasional watering by hand, or on the incidence of deer browse
and the success of counter-measures, isn’t it in the interests of
re-introducing the chestnuts to have as many such studies as possible out
there? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Absent a contrary direction from National, or a really
compelling reason for restriction, I would allow access and use to all,
including access and use for publication.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
masschestnutorchards-bounces@masschestnut.org [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces@masschestnut.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Yvonne Federowicz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 25, 2010 11:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> masschestnutorchards@masschestnut.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
Permissions (Database Project)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Are folks saying that they think everyone
should have standing permission to publish using our data? (That
wasn’t exactly what our meeting Motion implied, from my perspective.)<br>
<br>
Thanks. Yvonne<br>
<br>
<br>
On 1/25/10 11:14 AM, "Guy Shepard" <<a href="tsuga35@aol.com">tsuga35@aol.com</a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I go along with Mike, let anyone use it until
national says something, we are helping american forests.<br>
Guy<br>
<br>
<br>
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</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: Federowicz, Yvonne Marie <<a href="Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu">Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu</a>><br>
To: <a href="masschestnutorchards@masschestnut.org">masschestnutorchards@masschestnut.org</a><br>
Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:38 am<br>
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data Permissions
(Database Project)<br>
<br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas'><br>
Hello - the group of TACF national & chapter people working on the
database <br>
would like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up with in our January <br>
meeting.<br>
<br>
I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal discussion of <br>
this, but they would like feedback so your considered ideas are very welcome.<br>
<br>
They would like to know:<br>
<br>
(1.) Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data;<br>
<br>
(2.) Does everyone need permission from the group in (1.) to publish
using this <br>
data?<br>
This could include:<br>
a.) TACF national staff<br>
b.) MA/RI board members, chapter
members<br>
c.) Outside (academic/research)
persons<br>
d.) Anyone else you can think of
here?<br>
<br>
We could also give certain people or groups "standing permission"; I
think that <br>
at the least, we probably would give MA/RI Board members such permission,
<br>
otherwise Charlotte couldn't even make lists from the data for presentation, <br>
without us taking a vote. (we discussed this some)<br>
<br>
*************<br>
* Motion: <br>
* 01/1010<br>
*************<br>
<br>
* We strongly feel that it is important for our data (both summaries and raw)
to <br>
be viewably (read access) open to chapters and TACF members and staff. However <br>
people will need permission to use our data to publish.<br>
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