From n1djb at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  4 10:21:22 2010
From: n1djb at yahoo.com (Jamie Donalds)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 07:21:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in  MA
Message-ID: <523430.99104.qm@web111406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi All,
? Here is an article in the Globe I found this morning about clear cutting in MA. It has a quote from Bruce Spencer.
I would like to here more about this issue and?how it?might affect future restoration plantings at Quabbin? and elsewhere. 
Does?this?effect any plans for our seed orchard? at Moore State Park?
Perhaps Bruce , Dennis?or Lois? would be interested in talking on this subject?at the April Meeting?
Food for thought,
-Jamie?

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/green/articles/2010/03/04/a_clear_cut_controversy/


      
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From n1djb at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  5 17:13:44 2010
From: n1djb at yahoo.com (Jamie Donalds)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 14:13:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Spring Board Meeting Date - TACF-MA/RI
Message-ID: <333370.44890.qm@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi All,
????????? At the end of? the winter board meeting we did not set a date for the spring meeting.

I'm choosing Sat. April 24,2010

Growers meeting from 11-12:30
Board meeting a from 1 to 4PM

I don't have a location yet - suggestions are welcome!

Agenda will be out by end of March

Let me know if you can't attend on that date.

Be well
-Jamie


      
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From j.johnmeiklejohn at comcast.net  Fri Mar  5 19:39:49 2010
From: j.johnmeiklejohn at comcast.net (j. meiklejohn)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 00:39:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Spring Board Meeting Date - TACF-MA/RI
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Jamie, 



I could make a mtg on 4/24. 



John Meiklejohn 


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From: "Jamie Donalds" <n1djb at yahoo.com> 
To: "orchard mgrlist" <masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org> 
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2010 5:13:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Spring Board Meeting Date - TACF-MA/RI 



Hi All, 
????????? At the end of? the winter board meeting we did not set a date for the spring meeting. 

I'm choosing Sat. April 24,2010 

Growers meeting from 11-12:30 
Board meeting a from 1 to 4PM 

I don't have a location yet - suggestions are welcome! 

Agenda will be out by end of March 

Let me know if you can't attend on that date. 

Be well 
-Jamie 
?? 

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From Roy at Najecki.com  Fri Mar  5 22:44:38 2010
From: Roy at Najecki.com (Roy)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 22:44:38 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Spring Board Meeting Date - TACF-MA/RI
References: <333370.44890.qm@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DE4B2BDF96164B02A0AA8C5FF7A75861@home51fd3ddc3c>

I was supposed to help on an Earth Day clean-up, but I can pass on that an attend a meeting.
Roy 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jamie Donalds 
  To: orchard mgrlist 
  Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 5:13 PM
  Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Spring Board Meeting Date - TACF-MA/RI


  Hi All,
            At the end of  the winter board meeting we did not set a date for the spring meeting.

  I'm choosing Sat. April 24,2010

  Growers meeting from 11-12:30
  Board meeting a from 1 to 4PM

  I don't have a location yet - suggestions are welcome!

  Agenda will be out by end of March

  Let me know if you can't attend on that date.

  Be well
  -Jamie
    




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From loisbreau at aol.com  Sun Mar  7 14:20:53 2010
From: loisbreau at aol.com (loisbreau at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:20:53 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Mark Your Calendar! New England Regional
 TACF Meeting - March 20
In-Reply-To: <023801caafec$ef0ade50$cd209af0$@org>
References: <023801caafec$ef0ade50$cd209af0$@org>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kendra Gurney <kendra at acf.org>
To: Bill Adamsen <bill.adamsen at gmail.com>; dbbingham at sbcglobal.net; Garrett A. Smith <roarpine at sbcglobal.net>; Gayle Kida <gayle7258gk at gmail.com>; Jack Ostroff <ostroffjh at sbcglobal.net>; James Gage <jameswgage at sbcglobal.net>; Jane L. Harris <janelharris at sbcglobal.net>; Janet and John Baker <berryledges at optonline.net>; Jennifer Allcock <jallcock76 at comcast.net>; John P. Anderson Jr. <johnanderson7440 at sbcglobal.net>; Phil Arnold <arnold_philip_dr at sbcglobal.net>; Robert Gregg <drbob007 at att.net>; Susan Kelsey <scottishthistle at juno.com>; Will Kies <wkies at stamfordmuseum.org>; William H. Moorhead III <whmoorhead at optonline.net>; Woods & Mary Lu Sinclair <wml61 at comcast.net>; A.J. Dupere <AJ.Dupere at dred.state.nh.us>; Aubrey Choquette <choquette42 at aol.com>; Curt Laffin <calaffin at comcast.net>; Ed Metcalfe <metcalfe at sover.net>; Jeff Robins <robinsj at harwood.org>; Jonathan Sargent <jonasargent at comcast.net>; Alan Markert <alan.markert at myfairpoint.net>; Bob Frank <marion40 at roadrunner.com>; Eric Evans <belevans at roadrunner.com>; Glen Rea <glenrea42 at msn.com>; gpwellesthurber at hotmail.com; Harold Mosher <hmosher at tidewater.net>; jlindsey at fairpoint.net; josephdconwill at yahoo.com; Leigh Henry <hhleigh24 at roadrunner.com>; Marecic Chuck <cmarecic at hotmail.com>; Salmon-Hudson Salmon-Hudson <loghouse at fairpoint.net>; Willby Roger <RWiredraw at aol.com>; Richard Bailey <dweezle-ct at worldnet.att.net>; Simmons, Thomas <Thomas.Simmons at state.vt.us>; Don Richard <donrich at gsinet.net>; Ed Toth <petoth at juno.com>; Grace Knight <gsknight at tds.net>; James Powers <jamesp at gardeners.com>; Jeromy Gardner <jgardner at Bartlett.com>; 'Kendra Gurney' <kendra at acf.org>; Marshal Case <marshalc at acf.org>; Paul Schaberg <pschaberg at fs.fed.us>; Randy Knight <knightmd at tds.net>; Spencer Brookes <sbrookes at tds.net>; Todd Ross <alebrewernh at gmail.com>; Will Guinn <Will.Guinn at dred.state.nh.us>; Yurii Bihun <shelterwoodsystems at comcast.net>; masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org; Mike McGee <mcgee.michael at hotmail.com>
Cc: Bryan Burhans <bryan at acf.org>
Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2010 11:18 am
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Mark Your Calendar! New England Regional TACF Meeting - March 20



I hope you can join us for a New England Regional TACF meeting on Saturday, March 20th.  I heard from many of you that you would welcome improved communication between your neighboring chapters and this meeting should be a great opportunity to share ideas and experiences.  I?ve put together a draft agenda (below) based on input from some of you, but welcome any comments or requests for additional topics.  
 
Please RSVP to me (Kendra at acf.org) if you plan to attend, as I will be putting some materials together for attendees to look over before the meeting.  And please pass this invite along to others I may have missed.  This meeting is open to all, however I don?t anticipate spending too much time on introductory material.  It would be great to have a few board members and orchard managers from each chapter in attendance.  I do hope the meeting will be a forum for sharing experience, which could be very useful to newcomers, and I encourage anyone interested to join us.  I hope to see you there!
 
New England Regional Meeting
Urban Forestry Center
45 Elwyn Road
Portsmouth, NH 03801
 
Saturday, March 20, 2010
9:30 ? 4:00
 
Please bring a bag lunch.  Snacks to share are always welcome!
 
Draft Agenda Topics:
 
New England Chestnut Grower?s Guide ? Use existing resources to pull together a grower?s guide that covers the types of plantings and management applicable to the NE chapters (2 hours, maybe more)
 
Restoration Branches ? Bryan Burhans will be joining us to describe these in more detail and answer your questions (1 hour)
 
Chapter Strategic Planning ? strategies for guiding your local chapter (30-45 mins)
 
Trees Database ? update on the TACF on-line database project and some issues for the chapters to start thinking about (30-45 mins)
 
Seed Orchards ? a next step for breeding in New England (30-45 mins)
 
This is only a draft agenda.  Please send me any additional items you?d like to discuss.  This meeting is a chance to learn how others have approached many of the same issues facing your chapter so if you?d like to hear from the other chapters on a particular issue, this is your chance.  I?ll do my best to incorporate any suggestions into a final agenda.
 
Best ?
 
Kendra
 
Kendra Gurney
The American Chestnut Foundation?
New England Regional Science Coordinator
USFS Northern Research Station
705 Spear Street
South Burlington, VT 05403
Tel: 802.951.6771 x1350 Fax: 802.951.6368
Cell: 802.999.8706
Kendra at acf.org or kgurney at uvm.edu
 
 


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From kendra at acf.org  Thu Mar 11 12:06:19 2010
From: kendra at acf.org (Kendra Gurney)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:06:19 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] New England Regional TACF Meeting - March 20
Message-ID: <003001cac13d$3e576080$bb062180$@org>

Hello New England TACF!

 

This is a reminder about the New England Regional TACF meeting to be held on
Saturday, March 20th.  The meeting should be a great chance to share ideas
and experiences with your neighboring chapters, as well as a chance ask
questions or see how others have approached similar issues.

 

Please RSVP to me (Kendra at acf.org) if you plan to attend, as I will be
putting some materials together for attendees to look over before the
meeting.  I have received an RSVP from many of you already, but if you plan
to attend and have not been in touch, please let me know we should expect
you.  We will be discussing a few topics with background documents I will be
sending out, and our conversations will be more productive if attendees have
had a chance to look through these materials ahead of time.  I plan to send
out meeting materials to all who have RSVP'd, including directions, by
Friday, March 12.

 

Please pass this invite along to others I may have missed.  This meeting is
open to all, however I don't anticipate spending too much time on
introductory material.  It would be great to have a few board members and
orchard managers from each chapter in attendance.  I do hope the meeting
will be a forum for sharing experience, which could be very useful to
newcomers, and I encourage anyone interested to join us.  I hope to see you
there!

 

New England Regional Meeting

Urban Forestry Center

45 Elwyn Road

Portsmouth, NH 03801

 

Saturday, March 20, 2010

9:30 - 4:00

 

Please bring a bag lunch (there are a few local "quick" options in the
area).  Snacks to share are always welcome!

 

Oh yes, and for those who may be coming into town on Friday or who live in
the area, I will be giving an educational presentation on chestnut and local
efforts as part of the Urban Forestry Center's Education Programs on Friday,
March 19 at 7:00pm.

 

Best -

 

Kendra

 

Kendra Gurney
The American Chestnut FoundationR

New England Regional Science Coordinator
USFS Northern Research Station
705 Spear Street
South Burlington, VT 05403
Tel: 802.951.6771 x1350 Fax: 802.951.6368

Cell: 802.999.8706
 <mailto:Kendra at acf.org> Kendra at acf.org or kgurney at uvm.edu

 

 

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From gjacob at comcast.net  Fri Mar 12 10:03:44 2010
From: gjacob at comcast.net (Gary Jacob)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:03:44 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in  MA
In-Reply-To: <523430.99104.qm@web111406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <523430.99104.qm@web111406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000b01cac1f5$36182220$a2486660$@net>

Interesting article.  It is too bad that a state like Massachusetts should
be setting such a bad example.  I think it is important, however, that we
not take a position or express any official opinions concerning this issue.

 

What we should do is to begin thinking about different planting plans we
would use, for future American chestnuts, depending on whatever harvesting
situation we may find.

 

                Gary

 

From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org
[mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Jamie
Donalds
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 10:21 AM
To: orchard mgrlist
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in MA

 

Hi All,

  Here is an article in the Globe I found this morning about clear cutting
in MA. It has a quote from Bruce Spencer.

I would like to here more about this issue and how it might affect future
restoration plantings at Quabbin  and elsewhere. 

Does this effect any plans for our seed orchard  at Moore State Park?

Perhaps Bruce , Dennis or Lois  would be interested in talking on this
subject at the April Meeting?

Food for thought,

-Jamie 

 

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/green/articles/2010/03/04/a_clear_cut_contro
versy/

 

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From gjacob at comcast.net  Fri Mar 12 10:08:45 2010
From: gjacob at comcast.net (Gary Jacob)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:08:45 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Spring Board Meeting Date - TACF-MA/RI
In-Reply-To: <333370.44890.qm@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <333370.44890.qm@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001cac1f5$e90a11e0$bb1e35a0$@net>

Unfortunately my nephew is getting married that Saturday and I will not be
able to attend.

 

                Gary

 

From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org
[mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Jamie
Donalds
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 5:14 PM
To: orchard mgrlist
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Spring Board Meeting Date - TACF-MA/RI

 

Hi All,

          At the end of  the winter board meeting we did not set a date for
the spring meeting.

 

I'm choosing Sat. April 24,2010

 

Growers meeting from 11-12:30

Board meeting a from 1 to 4PM

 

I don't have a location yet - suggestions are welcome!

 

Agenda will be out by end of March

 

Let me know if you can't attend on that date.

 

Be well

-Jamie

  

 

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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Fri Mar 12 11:25:26 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:25:26 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in  MA
In-Reply-To: <000b01cac1f5$36182220$a2486660$@net>
Message-ID: <C7BFD526.1C678%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>

It sounds like some of the cuts might have made it more difficult to
re-establish forest, since they didn?t properly do a ?shelterwood? cutting?
Would these also make it more difficult to plant chestnut?

It would be good to hear from Bruce, Dennis and Lois.  I doubt we?ll be in
the position to make any official statements anyhow as a group, probably not
an issue ? unless someone cuts our trees or improperly prepares a site that
is agreed upon for one of our plantings, in the future.

Re. expressing opinions - seems more like a situation where Massachusetts
residents might want to express opinions as citizens, or forestry
professionals ? as Bruce has done.


On 3/12/10 10:03 AM, "Gary Jacob" <gjacob at comcast.net> wrote:

> Interesting article.  It is too bad that a state like Massachusetts should be
> setting such a bad example.  I think it is important, however, that we not
> take a position or express any official opinions concerning this issue.
>  
> What we should do is to begin thinking about different planting plans we would
> use, for future American chestnuts, depending on whatever harvesting situation
> we may find.
>  
>                 Gary
>  
> 
> From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org
> [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Jamie
> Donalds
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 10:21 AM
> To: orchard mgrlist
> Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in MA
>  
> 
> Hi All,
> 
>   Here is an article in the Globe I found this morning about clear cutting in
> MA. It has a quote from Bruce Spencer.
> 
> I would like to here more about this issue and how it might affect future
> restoration plantings at Quabbin  and elsewhere.
> 
> Does this effect any plans for our seed orchard  at Moore State Park?
> 
> Perhaps Bruce , Dennis or Lois  would be interested in talking on this subject
> at the April Meeting?
> 
> Food for thought,
> 
> -Jamie 
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/green/articles/2010/03/04/a_clear_cut_controve
> rsy/
>  
> 
> 
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From jmirick at mirickoconnell.com  Fri Mar 12 11:54:08 2010
From: jmirick at mirickoconnell.com (Mirick, John O.)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:54:08 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in  MA
In-Reply-To: <C7BFD526.1C678%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
References: <000b01cac1f5$36182220$a2486660$@net>
	<C7BFD526.1C678%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
Message-ID: <5596726.369491268412850692.JavaMail.SYSTEM@3bclean>

My thought is that we should use up any political capital that we may have by weighing in on this issue.

John

From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Yvonne Federowicz
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 11:25 AM
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in MA

It sounds like some of the cuts might have made it more difficult to re-establish forest, since they didn't properly do a "shelterwood" cutting? Would these also make it more difficult to plant chestnut?

It would be good to hear from Bruce, Dennis and Lois.  I doubt we'll be in the position to make any official statements anyhow as a group, probably not an issue - unless someone cuts our trees or improperly prepares a site that is agreed upon for one of our plantings, in the future.

Re. expressing opinions - seems more like a situation where Massachusetts residents might want to express opinions as citizens, or forestry professionals - as Bruce has done.


On 3/12/10 10:03 AM, "Gary Jacob" <gjacob at comcast.net> wrote:
Interesting article.  It is too bad that a state like Massachusetts should be setting such a bad example.  I think it is important, however, that we not take a position or express any official opinions concerning this issue.

What we should do is to begin thinking about different planting plans we would use, for future American chestnuts, depending on whatever harvesting situation we may find.

                Gary


From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Donalds
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 10:21 AM
To: orchard mgrlist
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in MA


Hi All,

 Here is an article in the Globe I found this morning about clear cutting in MA. It has a quote from Bruce Spencer.

I would like to here more about this issue and how it might affect future restoration plantings at Quabbin  and elsewhere.

Does this effect any plans for our seed orchard  at Moore State Park?

Perhaps Bruce , Dennis or Lois  would be interested in talking on this subject at the April Meeting?

Food for thought,

-Jamie



http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/green/articles/2010/03/04/a_clear_cut_controversy/

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From Fred at acf.org  Fri Mar 12 13:51:01 2010
From: Fred at acf.org (Fred Hebard)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:51:01 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in  MA
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I don't know much about New England forests, but forests re-establish  
prolifically in the southern Appalachians after clearcutting.   
Shelterwoods or other silvicultural regimes may be helpful in  
preventing early succession trees that produce numerous wind-borne  
seeds --such as yellow poplar and red maple-- from taking over a  
site.  Or some other silvicultural practice might be prescribed for  
encouraging desirable species.

However, clearcutting itself is often the best means of establishing  
desirable stands.  Unfortunately clearcutting has been demonized in  
order to alter the behavior of the Forest Service and other land  
management agencies.  And the demonization has transmogrified in the  
public mind into an established fact, that clearcutting is  
necessarily a bad forest management practice, when it's not.  It's  
just another tool in the toolbox, that has to be evaluated in  
choosing the best silvicultural prescription to achieve the desired  
objectives, while keeping the long-term health of the ecosystem in mind

Fred

Frederick V. Hebard, PhD
Staff Pathologist, Meadowview Research Farms
American Chestnut Foundation
14005 Glenbrook Ave.
Meadowview, VA 24361

Email: Fred at acf.org
Web: http://www.acffarms.org
Phone: (276) 944-4631
Fax: (276) 944-0934


On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Mirick, John O. wrote:

> My thought is that we should use up any political capital that we  
> may have by weighing in on this issue.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org  
> [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of  
> Yvonne Federowicz
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 11:25 AM
> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
> Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting  
> in MA
>
>
>
> It sounds like some of the cuts might have made it more difficult  
> to re-establish forest, since they didn?t properly do a  
> ?shelterwood? cutting? Would these also make it more difficult to  
> plant chestnut?
>
> It would be good to hear from Bruce, Dennis and Lois.  I doubt  
> we?ll be in the position to make any official statements anyhow as  
> a group, probably not an issue ? unless someone cuts our trees or  
> improperly prepares a site that is agreed upon for one of our  
> plantings, in the future.
>
> Re. expressing opinions - seems more like a situation where  
> Massachusetts residents might want to express opinions as citizens,  
> or forestry professionals ? as Bruce has done.
>
>
> On 3/12/10 10:03 AM, "Gary Jacob" <gjacob at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Interesting article.  It is too bad that a state like Massachusetts  
> should be setting such a bad example.  I think it is important,  
> however, that we not take a position or express any official  
> opinions concerning this issue.
>
> What we should do is to begin thinking about different planting  
> plans we would use, for future American chestnuts, depending on  
> whatever harvesting situation we may find.
>
>                 Gary
>
>
> From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org  
> [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of  
> Jamie Donalds
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 10:21 AM
> To: orchard mgrlist
> Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in MA
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>  Here is an article in the Globe I found this morning about clear  
> cutting in MA. It has a quote from Bruce Spencer.
>
> I would like to here more about this issue and how it might affect  
> future restoration plantings at Quabbin  and elsewhere.
>
> Does this effect any plans for our seed orchard  at Moore State Park?
>
> Perhaps Bruce , Dennis or Lois  would be interested in talking on  
> this subject at the April Meeting?
>
> Food for thought,
>
> -Jamie
>
>
>
> http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/green/articles/2010/03/04/ 
> a_clear_cut_controversy/
>
> _______________________________________________
> MassChestnutOrchards mailing list
> MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org
> http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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> inform you that any federal tax advice contained in this  
> communication (including any attachments) is not intended to be  
> used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties  
> under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or  
> recommending to another party any transaction or matter  
> communicated to you.
>
>
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From rufin at charter.net  Sat Mar 13 10:58:34 2010
From: rufin at charter.net (Rufin Van Bossuyt)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:58:34 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in  MA
References: <000b01cac1f5$36182220$a2486660$@net><C7BFD526.1C678%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu><5596726.369491268412850692.JavaMail.SYSTEM@3bclean>
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There are three letters to the editor in today's Boston Globe that are 
critical of the recent article on clear-cutting. The are entitled:
1. Focus on missteps of clear-cutting obscures states vital role.
2.Emotion overcomes reason in land management.
3. We need to hear from the foresters.

They can be seen at boston.com

I also sent a letter to the Boston Globe but it was not used. I find that it 
was not saved in my Sent Items file as I responded through their web site.
I said that the reporter should come back a year or two after the clear- 
cutting and see the reproduction.
The DCR had a timber harvest behind my house several years ago. Seed trees 
were left. The forest consists of white pine, white oak, red, black and 
scarlet oaks, red maple, black birch and some American chestnut sprouts. 
There was an almost complete cover of huckleberry and low bush blueberry 
present but they produced almost no fruit in the shade.
Now a few years later the hardwoods have resprouted, there are many healthy 
seedlings and the berries have had abundant fruit. Sedge is very present now 
and it was not present before the harvest. Obviously seeds were present and 
when sunlight came in , up came the sedge.
During the fall while on a walk, I came upon a large flock of robins that 
was feeding on the berries. Good habitat.
Carl Anderson, a resident of Upton and a TACF member passed away a few years 
ago in his mid-nineties. He had told me about working in the woods as a 
young man for his uncle who owned a timber harvesting company . The 
harvesting was all clear-cutting. It produced timber and firewood and even 
the pine branches used to start the fires in a nearby foundry were 
collected.
In 1935 the state purchased the cut over "wood lots" ( purchase price could 
not exceed $5 per acre) and they are now the Upton State Forest.
An 1830 map of the town indicates that except for very difficult terrain 
areas the land consisted of pasture and crop land. Very little forest.

Rufin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Hebard" <Fred at acf.org>
To: <masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org>
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in MA


I don't know much about New England forests, but forests re-establish
prolifically in the southern Appalachians after clearcutting.
Shelterwoods or other silvicultural regimes may be helpful in
preventing early succession trees that produce numerous wind-borne
seeds --such as yellow poplar and red maple-- from taking over a
site.  Or some other silvicultural practice might be prescribed for
encouraging desirable species.

However, clearcutting itself is often the best means of establishing
desirable stands.  Unfortunately clearcutting has been demonized in
order to alter the behavior of the Forest Service and other land
management agencies.  And the demonization has transmogrified in the
public mind into an established fact, that clearcutting is
necessarily a bad forest management practice, when it's not.  It's
just another tool in the toolbox, that has to be evaluated in
choosing the best silvicultural prescription to achieve the desired
objectives, while keeping the long-term health of the ecosystem in mind

Fred

Frederick V. Hebard, PhD
Staff Pathologist, Meadowview Research Farms
American Chestnut Foundation
14005 Glenbrook Ave.
Meadowview, VA 24361

Email: Fred at acf.org
Web: http://www.acffarms.org
Phone: (276) 944-4631
Fax: (276) 944-0934


On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Mirick, John O. wrote:

> My thought is that we should use up any political capital that we
> may have by weighing in on this issue.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org
> [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of
> Yvonne Federowicz
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 11:25 AM
> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
> Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting
> in MA
>
>
>
> It sounds like some of the cuts might have made it more difficult
> to re-establish forest, since they didn?t properly do a
> ?shelterwood? cutting? Would these also make it more difficult to
> plant chestnut?
>
> It would be good to hear from Bruce, Dennis and Lois.  I doubt
> we?ll be in the position to make any official statements anyhow as
> a group, probably not an issue ? unless someone cuts our trees or
> improperly prepares a site that is agreed upon for one of our
> plantings, in the future.
>
> Re. expressing opinions - seems more like a situation where
> Massachusetts residents might want to express opinions as citizens,
> or forestry professionals ? as Bruce has done.
>
>
> On 3/12/10 10:03 AM, "Gary Jacob" <gjacob at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Interesting article.  It is too bad that a state like Massachusetts
> should be setting such a bad example.  I think it is important,
> however, that we not take a position or express any official
> opinions concerning this issue.
>
> What we should do is to begin thinking about different planting
> plans we would use, for future American chestnuts, depending on
> whatever harvesting situation we may find.
>
>                 Gary
>
>
> From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org
> [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of
> Jamie Donalds
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 10:21 AM
> To: orchard mgrlist
> Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in MA
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>  Here is an article in the Globe I found this morning about clear
> cutting in MA. It has a quote from Bruce Spencer.
>
> I would like to here more about this issue and how it might affect
> future restoration plantings at Quabbin  and elsewhere.
>
> Does this effect any plans for our seed orchard  at Moore State Park?
>
> Perhaps Bruce , Dennis or Lois  would be interested in talking on
> this subject at the April Meeting?
>
> Food for thought,
>
> -Jamie
>
>
>
> http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/green/articles/2010/03/04/
> a_clear_cut_controversy/
>
> _______________________________________________
> MassChestnutOrchards mailing list
> MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org
> http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards
>
>
>
>
>
> ******************************************************************
>
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>
> To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS, we
> inform you that any federal tax advice contained in this
> communication (including any attachments) is not intended to be
> used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties
> under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or
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> communicated to you.
>
>
> ******************************************************************
>
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> privileged and confidential under applicable law, and is intended
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> are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
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From dandfhoward at rcn.com  Sat Mar 13 12:36:29 2010
From: dandfhoward at rcn.com (Frank Howard)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:36:29 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in  MA
In-Reply-To: <001401cac2c6$09873710$6401a8c0@userr0addk9epy>
References: <000b01cac1f5$36182220$a2486660$@net><C7BFD526.1C678%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu><5596726.369491268412850692.JavaMail.SYSTEM@3bclean>
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	<001401cac2c6$09873710$6401a8c0@userr0addk9epy>
Message-ID: <9BE66099-BD11-4DEB-8F89-DD7B6FAFB67C@rcn.com>

Dear Rufin, Thank you for all of the impressive information. The  
Boston Globe and its readers were unfortunate that your letter to the  
editor was not used. Sincerely, Frank
On Mar 13, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Rufin Van Bossuyt wrote:

> There are three letters to the editor in today's Boston Globe that are
> critical of the recent article on clear-cutting. The are entitled:
> 1. Focus on missteps of clear-cutting obscures states vital role.
> 2.Emotion overcomes reason in land management.
> 3. We need to hear from the foresters.
>
> They can be seen at boston.com
>
> I also sent a letter to the Boston Globe but it was not used. I  
> find that it
> was not saved in my Sent Items file as I responded through their  
> web site.
> I said that the reporter should come back a year or two after the  
> clear-
> cutting and see the reproduction.
> The DCR had a timber harvest behind my house several years ago.  
> Seed trees
> were left. The forest consists of white pine, white oak, red, black  
> and
> scarlet oaks, red maple, black birch and some American chestnut  
> sprouts.
> There was an almost complete cover of huckleberry and low bush  
> blueberry
> present but they produced almost no fruit in the shade.
> Now a few years later the hardwoods have resprouted, there are many  
> healthy
> seedlings and the berries have had abundant fruit. Sedge is very  
> present now
> and it was not present before the harvest. Obviously seeds were  
> present and
> when sunlight came in , up came the sedge.
> During the fall while on a walk, I came upon a large flock of  
> robins that
> was feeding on the berries. Good habitat.
> Carl Anderson, a resident of Upton and a TACF member passed away a  
> few years
> ago in his mid-nineties. He had told me about working in the woods  
> as a
> young man for his uncle who owned a timber harvesting company . The
> harvesting was all clear-cutting. It produced timber and firewood  
> and even
> the pine branches used to start the fires in a nearby foundry were
> collected.
> In 1935 the state purchased the cut over "wood lots" ( purchase  
> price could
> not exceed $5 per acre) and they are now the Upton State Forest.
> An 1830 map of the town indicates that except for very difficult  
> terrain
> areas the land consisted of pasture and crop land. Very little forest.
>
> Rufin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Hebard" <Fred at acf.org>
> To: <masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting  
> in MA
>
>
> I don't know much about New England forests, but forests re-establish
> prolifically in the southern Appalachians after clearcutting.
> Shelterwoods or other silvicultural regimes may be helpful in
> preventing early succession trees that produce numerous wind-borne
> seeds --such as yellow poplar and red maple-- from taking over a
> site.  Or some other silvicultural practice might be prescribed for
> encouraging desirable species.
>
> However, clearcutting itself is often the best means of establishing
> desirable stands.  Unfortunately clearcutting has been demonized in
> order to alter the behavior of the Forest Service and other land
> management agencies.  And the demonization has transmogrified in the
> public mind into an established fact, that clearcutting is
> necessarily a bad forest management practice, when it's not.  It's
> just another tool in the toolbox, that has to be evaluated in
> choosing the best silvicultural prescription to achieve the desired
> objectives, while keeping the long-term health of the ecosystem in  
> mind
>
> Fred
>
> Frederick V. Hebard, PhD
> Staff Pathologist, Meadowview Research Farms
> American Chestnut Foundation
> 14005 Glenbrook Ave.
> Meadowview, VA 24361
>
> Email: Fred at acf.org
> Web: http://www.acffarms.org
> Phone: (276) 944-4631
> Fax: (276) 944-0934
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Mirick, John O. wrote:
>
>> My thought is that we should use up any political capital that we
>> may have by weighing in on this issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org
>> [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of
>> Yvonne Federowicz
>> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 11:25 AM
>> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
>> Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting
>> in MA
>>
>>
>>
>> It sounds like some of the cuts might have made it more difficult
>> to re-establish forest, since they didn?t properly do a
>> ?shelterwood? cutting? Would these also make it more difficult to
>> plant chestnut?
>>
>> It would be good to hear from Bruce, Dennis and Lois.  I doubt
>> we?ll be in the position to make any official statements anyhow as
>> a group, probably not an issue ? unless someone cuts our trees or
>> improperly prepares a site that is agreed upon for one of our
>> plantings, in the future.
>>
>> Re. expressing opinions - seems more like a situation where
>> Massachusetts residents might want to express opinions as citizens,
>> or forestry professionals ? as Bruce has done.
>>
>>
>> On 3/12/10 10:03 AM, "Gary Jacob" <gjacob at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting article.  It is too bad that a state like Massachusetts
>> should be setting such a bad example.  I think it is important,
>> however, that we not take a position or express any official
>> opinions concerning this issue.
>>
>> What we should do is to begin thinking about different planting
>> plans we would use, for future American chestnuts, depending on
>> whatever harvesting situation we may find.
>>
>>                 Gary
>>
>>
>> From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org
>> [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of
>> Jamie Donalds
>> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 10:21 AM
>> To: orchard mgrlist
>> Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in MA
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>  Here is an article in the Globe I found this morning about clear
>> cutting in MA. It has a quote from Bruce Spencer.
>>
>> I would like to here more about this issue and how it might affect
>> future restoration plantings at Quabbin  and elsewhere.
>>
>> Does this effect any plans for our seed orchard  at Moore State Park?
>>
>> Perhaps Bruce , Dennis or Lois  would be interested in talking on
>> this subject at the April Meeting?
>>
>> Food for thought,
>>
>> -Jamie
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/green/articles/2010/03/04/
>> a_clear_cut_controversy/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> MassChestnutOrchards mailing list
>> MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org
>> http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ******************************************************************
>>
>> DISCLAIMER REGARDING TAX ADVICE - IRS CIRCULAR 230 DISCLOSURE:
>>
>> To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS, we
>> inform you that any federal tax advice contained in this
>> communication (including any attachments) is not intended to be
>> used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties
>> under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or
>> recommending to another party any transaction or matter
>> communicated to you.
>>
>>
>> ******************************************************************
>>
>> The information contained in this electronic message is legally
>> privileged and confidential under applicable law, and is intended
>> only for the use of the individual or entity named above.  If you
>> are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
>> dissemination, copying or disclosure of this communication is
>> strictly prohibited.  If you have received this communication in
>> error, please notify Mirick O'Connell at (508)791-8500 and delete
>> this communication immediately without copying or distributing it.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards
>
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From tsuga35 at aol.com  Sat Mar 13 13:17:56 2010
From: tsuga35 at aol.com (tsuga35 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:17:56 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in  MA
In-Reply-To: <001401cac2c6$09873710$6401a8c0@userr0addk9epy>
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Rufin,
 thanks for standing up on the side of reason and science , too many go on the side  editorial excitement
Guy





-----Original Message-----
From: Rufin Van Bossuyt <rufin at charter.net>
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Sent: Sat, Mar 13, 2010 10:58 am
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in MA


There are three letters to the editor in today's Boston Globe that are 
ritical of the recent article on clear-cutting. The are entitled:
. Focus on missteps of clear-cutting obscures states vital role.
.Emotion overcomes reason in land management.
. We need to hear from the foresters.
They can be seen at boston.com
I also sent a letter to the Boston Globe but it was not used. I find that it 
as not saved in my Sent Items file as I responded through their web site.
 said that the reporter should come back a year or two after the clear- 
utting and see the reproduction.
he DCR had a timber harvest behind my house several years ago. Seed trees 
ere left. The forest consists of white pine, white oak, red, black and 
carlet oaks, red maple, black birch and some American chestnut sprouts. 
here was an almost complete cover of huckleberry and low bush blueberry 
resent but they produced almost no fruit in the shade.
ow a few years later the hardwoods have resprouted, there are many healthy 
eedlings and the berries have had abundant fruit. Sedge is very present now 
nd it was not present before the harvest. Obviously seeds were present and 
hen sunlight came in , up came the sedge.
uring the fall while on a walk, I came upon a large flock of robins that 
as feeding on the berries. Good habitat.
arl Anderson, a resident of Upton and a TACF member passed away a few years 
go in his mid-nineties. He had told me about working in the woods as a 
oung man for his uncle who owned a timber harvesting company . The 
arvesting was all clear-cutting. It produced timber and firewood and even 
he pine branches used to start the fires in a nearby foundry were 
ollected.
n 1935 the state purchased the cut over "wood lots" ( purchase price could 
ot exceed $5 per acre) and they are now the Upton State Forest.
n 1830 map of the town indicates that except for very difficult terrain 
reas the land consisted of pasture and crop land. Very little forest.
Rufin

----- Original Message ----- 
rom: "Fred Hebard" <Fred at acf.org>
o: <masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org>
ent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:51 PM
ubject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in MA

 don't know much about New England forests, but forests re-establish
rolifically in the southern Appalachians after clearcutting.
helterwoods or other silvicultural regimes may be helpful in
reventing early succession trees that produce numerous wind-borne
eeds --such as yellow poplar and red maple-- from taking over a
ite.  Or some other silvicultural practice might be prescribed for
ncouraging desirable species.
However, clearcutting itself is often the best means of establishing
esirable stands.  Unfortunately clearcutting has been demonized in
rder to alter the behavior of the Forest Service and other land
anagement agencies.  And the demonization has transmogrified in the
ublic mind into an established fact, that clearcutting is
ecessarily a bad forest management practice, when it's not.  It's
ust another tool in the toolbox, that has to be evaluated in
hoosing the best silvicultural prescription to achieve the desired
bjectives, while keeping the long-term health of the ecosystem in mind
Fred
Frederick V. Hebard, PhD
taff Pathologist, Meadowview Research Farms
merican Chestnut Foundation
4005 Glenbrook Ave.
eadowview, VA 24361
Email: Fred at acf.org
eb: http://www.acffarms.org
hone: (276) 944-4631
ax: (276) 944-0934

n Mar 12, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Mirick, John O. wrote:
> My thought is that we should use up any political capital that we
 may have by weighing in on this issue.



 John



 From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org
 [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of
 Yvonne Federowicz
 Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 11:25 AM
 To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
 Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting
 in MA



 It sounds like some of the cuts might have made it more difficult
 to re-establish forest, since they didn?t properly do a
 ?shelterwood? cutting? Would these also make it more difficult to
 plant chestnut?

 It would be good to hear from Bruce, Dennis and Lois.  I doubt
 we?ll be in the position to make any official statements anyhow as
 a group, probably not an issue ? unless someone cuts our trees or
 improperly prepares a site that is agreed upon for one of our
 plantings, in the future.

 Re. expressing opinions - seems more like a situation where
 Massachusetts residents might want to express opinions as citizens,
 or forestry professionals ? as Bruce has done.


 On 3/12/10 10:03 AM, "Gary Jacob" <gjacob at comcast.net> wrote:

 Interesting article.  It is too bad that a state like Massachusetts
 should be setting such a bad example.  I think it is important,
 however, that we not take a position or express any official
 opinions concerning this issue.

 What we should do is to begin thinking about different planting
 plans we would use, for future American chestnuts, depending on
 whatever harvesting situation we may find.

                 Gary


 From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org
 [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of
 Jamie Donalds
 Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 10:21 AM
 To: orchard mgrlist
 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in MA


 Hi All,

  Here is an article in the Globe I found this morning about clear
 cutting in MA. It has a quote from Bruce Spencer.

 I would like to here more about this issue and how it might affect
 future restoration plantings at Quabbin  and elsewhere.

 Does this effect any plans for our seed orchard  at Moore State Park?

 Perhaps Bruce , Dennis or Lois  would be interested in talking on
 this subject at the April Meeting?

 Food for thought,

 -Jamie



 http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/green/articles/2010/03/04/
 a_clear_cut_controversy/

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From treeworks1 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 14 11:41:06 2010
From: treeworks1 at yahoo.com (Bruce Spencer)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:41:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in  MA
In-Reply-To: <C7BFD526.1C678%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
Message-ID: <367575.65559.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Globe Article,
I made a couple of hard statements in this article that needs further clarification. The cutting practices that bothered me are on the north Quabbin. The south Quabbin foresters are doing excellent work and were not a concern of mine or of the Green Certification audit this past spring. But the north Quabbbin foresters work was of great concern to the auditors and as a result required significant corrective actions on the part of the Division of Water Supply Protection (DWSP). My concerns were the same as the audit team, namely that the 1-2 acre clear cuts did not provide for adequate diverse regeneration and the patches were often in the better timber, leaving low vigor and poor quality areas uncut. Remember that the Quabbin had serious over browsing of deer for over 50 years, and consequently the regeneration that normally develops in the understory did not happen. As Rufin mentioned, clear cutting older stands generally results in good regeneration
 because the regeneration is in place. However,Yvonne understood the problem, that without regeneration it's a slow process through shelterwood cuts to establish diverse regeneration. 

Chris Materia, unfortunately can't tell the difference between a good clear cut and a poor one and treats them all the same to stop cutting on DCR forest. DCR did conduct some clearcuts in dying spruce plantation which responded dramatically with diverse vibrant regeneration, but Materia cares little for the success only the photo op after the cut.

Unfortunately the DWSP clearcuts, however small, were not forestry, just bad work. The likely results of clearcutting an 80 year old oak stand is a stand of black birch and maybe some pine.

Planting chestnuts in clear cuts that do not have advance regeneration exposes the chestnuts to browsing because they are the only trees available. It is far better to have lots of small trees for the chestnuts to compete with and there is a greater supply of food available for browsers and good competition for the chestnuts.

I hope this clarifies my Globe comments.
Bruce

--- On Fri, 3/12/10, Yvonne Federowicz <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu> wrote:

From: Yvonne Federowicz <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in  MA
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 11:25 AM



Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in ?MA
It sounds like some of the cuts might have made it more difficult to re-establish forest, since they didn?t properly do a ?shelterwood? cutting? Would these also make it more difficult to plant chestnut?



It would be good to hear from Bruce, Dennis and Lois. ?I doubt we?ll be in the position to make any official statements anyhow as a group, probably not an issue ? unless someone cuts our trees or improperly prepares a site that is agreed upon for one of our plantings, in the future.



Re. expressing opinions - seems more like a situation where Massachusetts residents might want to express opinions as citizens, or forestry professionals ? as Bruce has done.





On 3/12/10 10:03 AM, "Gary Jacob" <gjacob at comcast.net> wrote:



Interesting article. ?It is too bad that a state like Massachusetts should be setting such a bad example. ?I think it is important, however, that we not take a position or express any official opinions concerning this issue.

?

What we should do is to begin thinking about different planting plans we would use, for future American chestnuts, depending on whatever harvesting situation we may find.

?

????????????????Gary

?



From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Donalds

Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 10:21 AM

To: orchard mgrlist

Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in MA

 



Hi All,



 ?Here is an article in the Globe I found this morning about clear cutting in MA. It has a quote from Bruce Spencer.



I would like to here more about this issue and how it might affect future restoration plantings at Quabbin ?and elsewhere. 



Does this effect any plans for our seed orchard ?at Moore State Park?



Perhaps Bruce , Dennis or Lois ?would be interested in talking on this subject at the April Meeting?



Food for thought,



-Jamie 



 



http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/green/articles/2010/03/04/a_clear_cut_controversy/

 



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From Fred at acf.org  Sun Mar 14 12:54:33 2010
From: Fred at acf.org (Fred Hebard)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:54:33 -0400
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in  MA
In-Reply-To: <367575.65559.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <367575.65559.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B9BF179A-263C-497E-AAD0-B4A30E69FDA9@acf.org>

Thanks for the clarification Bruce.  Rather than clearcutting, the  
north Quabbin operation sounds more like high grading masquerading as  
group selection, but bad forestry no matter how one classifies it.   
On private lands down here, one often sees high grading masquerading  
as shelterwoods or "selective cutting," not unfrequently with an  
extremely low residual basal area of sourwood and other  
unmerchantable species.

It's very encouraging there was an audit.

Fred

On Mar 14, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Bruce Spencer wrote:

> Globe Article,
> I made a couple of hard statements in this article that needs  
> further clarification. The cutting practices that bothered me are  
> on the north Quabbin. The south Quabbin foresters are doing  
> excellent work and were not a concern of mine or of the Green  
> Certification audit this past spring. But the north Quabbbin  
> foresters work was of great concern to the auditors and as a result  
> required significant corrective actions on the part of the Division  
> of Water Supply Protection (DWSP). My concerns were the same as the  
> audit team, namely that the 1-2 acre clear cuts did not provide for  
> adequate diverse regeneration and the patches were often in the  
> better timber, leaving low vigor and poor quality areas uncut.  
> Remember that the Quabbin had serious over browsing of deer for  
> over 50 years, and consequently the regeneration that normally  
> develops in the understory did not happen. As Rufin mentioned,  
> clear cutting older stands generally results in good regeneration  
> because the regeneration is in place. However,Yvonne understood the  
> problem, that without regeneration it's a slow process through  
> shelterwood cuts to establish diverse regeneration.
>
> Chris Materia, unfortunately can't tell the difference between a  
> good clear cut and a poor one and treats them all the same to stop  
> cutting on DCR forest. DCR did conduct some clearcuts in dying  
> spruce plantation which responded dramatically with diverse vibrant  
> regeneration, but Materia cares little for the success only the  
> photo op after the cut.
>
> Unfortunately the DWSP clearcuts, however small, were not forestry,  
> just bad work. The likely results of clearcutting an 80 year old  
> oak stand is a stand of black birch and maybe some pine.
>
> Planting chestnuts in clear cuts that do not have advance  
> regeneration exposes the chestnuts to browsing because they are the  
> only trees available. It is far better to have lots of small trees  
> for the chestnuts to compete with and there is a greater supply of  
> food available for browsers and good competition for the chestnuts.
>
> I hope this clarifies my Globe comments.
> Bruce
>
> --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Yvonne Federowicz  
> <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu> wrote:
>
> From: Yvonne Federowicz <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
> Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting  
> in MA
> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
> Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 11:25 AM
>
> It sounds like some of the cuts might have made it more difficult  
> to re-establish forest, since they didn?t properly do a  
> ?shelterwood? cutting? Would these also make it more difficult to  
> plant chestnut?
>
> It would be good to hear from Bruce, Dennis and Lois.  I doubt  
> we?ll be in the position to make any official statements anyhow as  
> a group, probably not an issue ? unless someone cuts our trees or  
> improperly prepares a site that is agreed upon for one of our  
> plantings, in the future.
>
> Re. expressing opinions - seems more like a situation where  
> Massachusetts residents might want to express opinions as citizens,  
> or forestry professionals ? as Bruce has done.
>
>
> On 3/12/10 10:03 AM, "Gary Jacob" <gjacob at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Interesting article.  It is too bad that a state like Massachusetts  
> should be setting such a bad example.  I think it is important,  
> however, that we not take a position or express any official  
> opinions concerning this issue.
>
> What we should do is to begin thinking about different planting  
> plans we would use, for future American chestnuts, depending on  
> whatever harvesting situation we may find.
>
>                 Gary
>
>
> From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org  
> [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of  
> Jamie Donalds
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 10:21 AM
> To: orchard mgrlist
> Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Globe article on clear cutting in MA
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>  Here is an article in the Globe I found this morning about clear  
> cutting in MA. It has a quote from Bruce Spencer.
>
> I would like to here more about this issue and how it might affect  
> future restoration plantings at Quabbin  and elsewhere.
>
> Does this effect any plans for our seed orchard  at Moore State Park?
>
> Perhaps Bruce , Dennis or Lois  would be interested in talking on  
> this subject at the April Meeting?
>
> Food for thought,
>
> -Jamie
>
>
>
> http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/green/articles/2010/03/04/ 
> a_clear_cut_controversy/
>
>
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From kendra at acf.org  Mon Mar 15 13:33:18 2010
From: kendra at acf.org (Kendra Gurney)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:33:18 -0400
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] FW: Restoration conference call notes and
	call-in
Message-ID: <002f01cac465$9a3c6230$ceb52690$@org>

FYI - thought some of you may be interested.

 

----

Kendra Gurney

802.999.8706 (cell)

 

From: Sarah Spooner [mailto:sarah at acf.org] 
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 4:11 PM
To: 'Bryan Burhans'; 'Rex Mann'
Subject: Restoration conference call notes and call-in

 

All: 

Attached is the agenda for Restoration Conference Call, to be held Monday,
March 15, 2010 7pm EST. 

The call-in information is below.

1-800-511-7985

Access code: 267499

PIN: 3373

 

Agenda:

(item 1 Rex & Bryan: go over the different components of the plan

(item 2) Rex & Bryan: cover the two concentric circle maps from Fred, and
the two tables, which lay out a production schedule and a restoration
schedule. 

(item 3) Bryan will cover the attachments to the plan on Restoration
Branches.  

 

As attachments, please find Rex's cover letter for the Restoration Plan, the
Plan itself, as well as the two appendices from Bryan about forming and
running Restoration Branches. 


Thanks and have a fine weekend, 

 

 

Sarah S. Spooner

Executive Assistant

The American Chestnut FoundationR

160 Zillicoa St, Suite D

Asheville, NC 28801

(828) 281-0047

sarah at acf.org

www.acf.org

 

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From kendra at acf.org  Thu Mar 18 15:09:45 2010
From: kendra at acf.org (Kendra Gurney)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:09:45 -0400
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Reminder: New England Regional TACF Meeting
	- This Saturday!
Message-ID: <008301cac6ce$9daa0b50$d8fe21f0$@org>

Hi All -

 

One last reminder about the New England Regional TACF Meeting planned for
this coming Sat, March 20 in Portsmouth, NH.  Please find the agenda and
directions attached.  Hope you can join us!

 

Kendra

 

Kendra Gurney
The American Chestnut FoundationR

New England Regional Science Coordinator
USFS Northern Research Station
705 Spear Street
South Burlington, VT 05403
Tel: 802.951.6771 x1350 Fax: 802.951.6368

Cell: 802.999.8706
 <mailto:Kendra at acf.org> Kendra at acf.org or kgurney at uvm.edu

 

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From n1djb at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 26 11:38:56 2010
From: n1djb at yahoo.com (Jamie Donalds)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:38:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Fw: Funding Announcement & Request for
	Proposals
Message-ID: <788328.11905.qm@web111406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi All,
?????????? It looks like chapter grant money is available again this year so if?anyone wants to?put together a proposal for irrigation, fencing, startup cost for seed orchards?etc. Im willing to guide you in the process.
the deadline is April 16th
thanks 
-Jamie.?


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From: Kendra Gurney <kendra at acf.org>
To: Bill Adamsen <bill.adamsen at gmail.com>; Glen Rea <glenrea42 at msn.com>; Grace Knight <gsknight at tds.net>; Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com>
Cc: Gayle Kida <gayle7258gk at gmail.com>; Charlotte Zampini <czampini at framingham.edu>; Eric Evans <belevans at adelphia.net>
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 3:34:06 PM
Subject: FW: Funding Announcement & Request for Proposals


Hi All -
?
Exciting news!? Looks like we got funding for chapter grants again this year.? Most of the info you?ll need should be in Daphne?s email, however feel free to let me know if you have any questions, ideas for proposals or need any assistance putting a proposal together.? 
?
Cheers!
?
Kendra
?
----
Kendra Gurney
802.999.8706 (cell)
?
From:Daphne VanSchaick [mailto:daphne at acf.org] 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:20 PM
To: 'Sara Fitzsimmons'; kendra at acf.org
Cc: SeanFisher at bfusa.com; 'Scott Freidhof '; 'Doug Gillis'; chill273 at yahoo.com; 'Mike Hinson, GA Chapter President'; Joe James; 'Virginia Chestnut'; MayesCD at aol.com; alachestnut at bellsouth.net; annemonique at bellsouth.net; mac at gmparchitect.com; tim.r.phelps at state.tn.us; phsisco at gmail.com; 'MICHAEL DOOCHIN'; 'Hill Craddock'; 'Steve Barilovits'; 'Sarah Spooner'; Bryan Burhans; dennis at acf.org
Subject: Funding Announcement & Request for Proposals
?
TO: TACF Regional Coordinators and Southern Appalachian Chapter Contacts
?
RE: Request for proposals 
?
TACF has applied for, and been awarded, funding from the US Forest Service that provides $20,000 for reimbursement of (or payment for) TACF chapter or regional planting regional plant breeding and maintenance activities:? chapter planting, orchard expenses and supplies for pollination, harvest, inoculation, inventory, maintenance, or bucket truck rental - any expense in support of chapter breeding and maintenance during calendar year 2010 (January 2010-December 2010) with the exception of mileage reimbursement ( as a volunteer organization, TACF will not reimburse for mileage under this grant).?? The $20,000 available is not per chapter, it is the amount TACF will distribute among the chapters, based on the proposals received.?? 
?
Please share this with state chapters of TACF in your regions.? I have copied chapter presidents or science contacts I am aware of in Southern states so they are notified as well, pending a regional science coordinator for that region.? ?If you have any questions, please contact me by e-mail or at 802-447-0110 ext. 6.
?
How to apply for this funding:? 
?
1) Prepare a proposal for submission by April 16, 2010.? Include a brief narrative outlining use and need of the funds along with a detailed budget for the proposal, the chapter EIN number, and names and contact information for:? Administrative Contact (who should be contacted regarding proposal award), Principal Investigator (the main contact for coordinating the project in the field), Financial Contact (Chapter Treasurer), Authorized Official for Chapter (typically the Treasurer or President, as people authorized to sign on behalf of the chapter).? The budget should only include funds spent between January 1, 2010 and December 31, 2010.?? ???
?
2) Submit proposals no later than April 16, by e-mail, to President and CEO Bryan Burhans(bryan at acf.org), with copies to Executive Assistant Sarah Spooner (sarah at acf.org) and Staff Accountant Dennis Kimball (dennis at acf.org).
?
3) Bryan will notify chapters by April 30, 2010 on funding. Funding depends primarily on the number of proposals received and requested funding.? 
?
4)? Because the money is Federal, recipients will receive from TACF, and will have to sign a subaward agreement sent to them by TACF, certifying that the funds will be spent according to Forest Service terms and conditions in order to receive reimbursement of costs per their proposal.?? A sample of this agreement is attached for review only. TACF will fill this out for chapters when funded, consisting of 1) Subaward Agreement, 2) Attachment 1 - Certifications, 3) Attachment 2 - the award to TACF from USFS containing additional terms (sample attached),? 4) Attachment 3 - TACF and Collaborator contacts 4) Attachment 4, reporting requirements 5) Attachment 4 - Proposal being funded.?? TACF will prepare the Subaward Agreement and Attachments and send to the chapter for signature to finalize the award.? 
?
Thank you, 
?
?
Daphne C. Van Schaick
VP Operations
The American Chestnut Foundation
Tel: 802-447-0110 ext. 6


      
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From j.johnmeiklejohn at comcast.net  Fri Mar 26 14:19:39 2010
From: j.johnmeiklejohn at comcast.net (j. meiklejohn)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:19:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Fw: Funding Announcement & Request for
 Proposals
In-Reply-To: <788328.11905.qm@web111406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <64867311.6253771269627579825.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>



Hi Jamie, 



I was tempted to consider applying for grant money this year for help with the prep of the seed orchard field on my property that Kendra and I have selected.? [Prep work would include thinning the trees on the east side, perhaps widening the west side by clearing trees and brush and installing fencing.? However, I think we should wait until we know we have the conservation easement in place and are assured that we can proceed with the seed orchard.? In the meantime I'll work on the perimeter thinning/clearing.? I may need later this year to request volunteers for a work party to finish up the perimeter thinning/clearing. 



John 


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From: "Jamie Donalds" <n1djb at yahoo.com> 
To: "orchard mgrlist" <masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org> 
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:38:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Fw: Funding Announcement & Request for Proposals 



Hi All, 
?????????? It looks like chapter grant money is available again this year so if?anyone wants to?put together a proposal for irrigation, fencing, startup cost for seed orchards?etc. Im willing to guide you in the process. 
the deadline is April 16th 
thanks 
-Jamie.? 


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From: Kendra Gurney <kendra at acf.org> 
To: Bill Adamsen <bill.adamsen at gmail.com>; Glen Rea <glenrea42 at msn.com>; Grace Knight <gsknight at tds.net>; Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Gayle Kida <gayle7258gk at gmail.com>; Charlotte Zampini <czampini at framingham.edu>; Eric Evans <belevans at adelphia.net> 
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 3:34:06 PM 
Subject: FW: Funding Announcement & Request for Proposals 




Hi All - 



Exciting news!? Looks like we got funding for chapter grants again this year.? Most of the info you?ll need should be in Daphne?s email, however feel free to let me know if you have any questions, ideas for proposals or need any assistance putting a proposal together.? 



Cheers! 



Kendra 




---- 

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From: Daphne VanSchaick [mailto:daphne at acf.org] 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:20 PM 
To: 'Sara Fitzsimmons'; kendra at acf.org 
Cc: SeanFisher at bfusa.com; 'Scott Freidhof '; 'Doug Gillis'; chill273 at yahoo.com; 'Mike Hinson, GA Chapter President'; Joe James; 'Virginia Chestnut'; MayesCD at aol.com; alachestnut at bellsouth.net; annemonique at bellsouth.net; mac at gmparchitect.com; tim.r.phelps at state.tn.us; phsisco at gmail.com; 'MICHAEL DOOCHIN'; 'Hill Craddock'; 'Steve Barilovits'; 'Sarah Spooner'; Bryan Burhans; dennis at acf.org 
Subject: Funding Announcement & Request for Proposals 



TO: TACF Regional Coordinators and Southern Appalachian Chapter Contacts 



RE: Request for proposals 



TACF has applied for, and been awarded, funding from the US Forest Service that provides $20,000 for reimbursement of (or payment for) TACF chapter or regional planting regional plant breeding and maintenance activities:? chapter planting, orchard expenses and supplies for pollination, harvest, inoculation, inventory, maintenance, or bucket truck rental - any expense in support of chapter breeding and maintenance during calendar year 2010 (January 2010-December 2010) with the exception of mileage reimbursement ( as a volunteer organization, TACF will not reimburse for mileage under this grant).?? The $20,000 available is not per chapter, it is the amount TACF will distribute among the chapters, based on the proposals received.?? 



Please share this with state chapters of TACF in your regions.? I have copied chapter presidents or science contacts I am aware of in Southern states so they are notified as well, pending a regional science coordinator for that region.? ?If you have any questions, please contact me by e-mail or at 802-447-0110 ext. 6. 



How to apply for this funding:? 



1) Prepare a proposal for submission by April 16, 2010.? Include a brief narrative outlining use and need of the funds along with a detailed budget for the proposal, the chapter EIN number, and names and contact information for:? Administrative Contact (who should be contacted regarding proposal award), Principal Investigator (the main contact for coordinating the project in the field), Financial Contact (Chapter Treasurer), Authorized Official for Chapter (typically the Treasurer or President, as people authorized to sign on behalf of the chapter).? The budget should only include funds spent between January 1, 2010 and December 31, 2010.?? ??? 



2) Submit proposals no later than April 16, by e-mail, to President and CEO Bryan Burhans( bryan at acf.org ), with copies to Executive Assistant Sarah Spooner ( sarah at acf.org ) and Staff Accountant Dennis Kimball ( dennis at acf.org ). 



3) Bryan will notify chapters by April 30, 2010 on funding. Funding depends primarily on the number of proposals received and requested funding.? 



4)? Because the money is Federal, recipients will receive from TACF, and will have to sign a subaward agreement sent to them by TACF, certifying that the funds will be spent according to Forest Service terms and conditions in order to receive reimbursement of costs per their proposal.?? A sample of this agreement is attached for review only. TACF will fill this out for chapters when funded, consisting of 1) Subaward Agreement, 2) Attachment 1 - Certifications, 3) Attachment 2 - the award to TACF from USFS containing additional terms (sample attached),? 4) Attachment 3 - TACF and Collaborator contacts 4) Attachment 4, reporting requirements 5) Attachment 4 - Proposal being funded.?? TACF will prepare the Subaward Agreement and Attachments and send to the chapter for signature to finalize the award.? 



Thank you, 





Daphne C. Van Schaick 

VP Operations 

The American Chestnut Foundation 

Tel: 802-447-0110 ext. 6 





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From n1djb at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 30 11:39:10 2010
From: n1djb at yahoo.com (Jamie Donalds)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:39:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Materials for SK/MG planting
In-Reply-To: <C7D7804A.1CD5B%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
References: <C7D7804A.1CD5B%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
Message-ID: <389441.79932.qm@web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Yvonne,
?????????? How many nuts are you planting?
see my responses below

Orchard managers - Do you have any extra planting materials?to help out Yvonne??


________________________________

From: Yvonne Federowicz <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
To: Charlotte Zampini <cbzampini at aol.com>; Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 10:17:46 AM
Subject: Materials for SK/MG planting

?
As you know, I am at the National Board meeting that weekend so?I won't be able to help plant.
Hi Charlotte & Jamie,

The tentative planting date for the MG/SK orchard is the weekend of 4/16 -
4/17.

They still need various supplies - they want to start with Bluex, then
eventually move to hardware cloth but not for now.

So...

* Bluex? (Charlotte ordered already?)? If Charlotte doesn't have any we may be enough leftovers to do the job.Orchard managers??

* bamboo poles (I can procure, but where is best source?)Forestry Suppliers(601-354-3565) sells them in pack of 500, so I'm thinking we should have some extras. If not they are stock # 17010 

* How much of each component of planting mix should we get? I betting we have extra bags of planting mix around. If not, we have been using "Metro Bedding Plant II mix PN# 65-4300 from Griffin Greenhouse Supply( in Tewksbury Ma. Griffin is near where I work, I can pick some up?if need be.?

* I have a bulb planter and I have one if you need it

* Tall "milk carton" - like planting tubes for backup nuts - where do we get
these? I have these. How many nuts are you going to pot up?

* they have white pines nearby for mycorrhiza - laden soil

* they could use more American nuts Charlotte??

* Other items?

I can order what you need and ship it to you and meet you somewhere to hand of the?stuff?I have.?
?
let me know
-Jamie



      
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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Tue Mar 30 11:54:37 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:54:37 -0400
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Materials for SK/MG planting
In-Reply-To: <389441.79932.qm@web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C7D796FD.1CD68%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>

Thanks!

SK/MG are doing 2 full lines, plus hopefully some Chinese & Americans.  I
have Chinese for them. (Some controls went in last year.)

So in orchard:

Supplies for 260 nuts direct planted (a few less but this is to be safe)

Supplies for ?Backup? plantings in ?milk cartons? - about 100 ? plus about
50 for Westerly (tentative, we might direct-plant but I?d like to have
cartons in case we go that route)

-> 150 milk cartons

Do we use the same planting mix in ?milk cartons??

---


On 3/30/10 11:39 AM, "Jamie Donalds" <n1djb at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Yvonne,
>            How many nuts are you planting?
> see my responses below
>  
> Orchard managers - Do you have any extra planting materials to help out
> Yvonne??
> 
> 
> From: Yvonne Federowicz <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
> To: Charlotte Zampini <cbzampini at aol.com>; Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 10:17:46 AM
> Subject: Materials for SK/MG planting
> 
> Hi Charlotte & Jamie,
> 
> The tentative planting date for the MG/SK orchard is the weekend of 4/16 -
> 4/17.
> 
> They still need various supplies - they want to start with Bluex, then
> eventually move to hardware cloth but not for now.
> 
> So...
> 
> * Bluex  (Charlotte ordered already?)  If Charlotte doesn't have any we may be
> enough leftovers to do the job.Orchard managers??
> 
> * bamboo poles (I can procure, but where is best source?)Forestry
> Suppliers(601-354-3565) sells them in pack of 500, so I'm thinking we should
> have some extras. If not they are stock # 17010
> 
> * How much of each component of planting mix should we get? I betting we have
> extra bags of planting mix around. If not, we have been using "Metro Bedding
> Plant II mix PN# 65-4300 from Griffin Greenhouse Supply( in Tewksbury Ma.
> Griffin is near where I work, I can pick some up if need be.
> 
> * I have a bulb planter and I have one if you need it
> 
> * Tall "milk carton" - like planting tubes for backup nuts - where do we get
> these? I have these. How many nuts are you going to pot up?
> 
> * they have white pines nearby for mycorrhiza - laden soil
> 
> * they could use more American nuts Charlotte??
> 
> * Other items?
> 
> I can order what you need and ship it to you and meet you somewhere to hand of
> the stuff I have.
>  
> As you know, I am at the National Board meeting that weekend so I won't be
> able to help plant.
>  
> 
> let me know
> 
> -Jamie
> 
> 
> 
>  

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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Tue Mar 30 12:02:51 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:02:51 -0400
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Materials for SK/MG planting
In-Reply-To: <C7D796FD.1CD68%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
Message-ID: <C7D798EB.1CD6F%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>

P.s. 

We also need about 260 clothespins to close the tops of the bluexes. Rudi
has colored tape to mark nut types on bamboo poles.


On 3/30/10 11:54 AM, "Yvonne Federowicz" <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
wrote:

> Thanks!
> 
> SK/MG are doing 2 full lines, plus hopefully some Chinese & Americans.  I have
> Chinese for them. (Some controls went in last year.)
> 
> So in orchard:
> 
> Supplies for 260 nuts direct planted (a few less but this is to be safe)
> 
> Supplies for ?Backup? plantings in ?milk cartons? - about 100 ? plus about 50
> for Westerly (tentative, we might direct-plant but I?d like to have cartons in
> case we go that route)
> 
> -> 150 milk cartons
> 
> Do we use the same planting mix in ?milk cartons??
> 
> ---
> 
> 
> On 3/30/10 11:39 AM, "Jamie Donalds" <n1djb at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yvonne,
>>            How many nuts are you planting?
>> see my responses below
>>  
>> Orchard managers - Do you have any extra planting materials to help out
>> Yvonne??
>> 
>> 
>> From: Yvonne Federowicz <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
>> To: Charlotte Zampini <cbzampini at aol.com>; Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 10:17:46 AM
>> Subject: Materials for SK/MG planting
>> 
>> Hi Charlotte & Jamie,
>> 
>> The tentative planting date for the MG/SK orchard is the weekend of 4/16 -
>> 4/17.
>> 
>> They still need various supplies - they want to start with Bluex, then
>> eventually move to hardware cloth but not for now.
>> 
>> So...
>> 
>> * Bluex  (Charlotte ordered already?)  If Charlotte doesn't have any we may
>> be enough leftovers to do the job.Orchard managers??
>> 
>> * bamboo poles (I can procure, but where is best source?)Forestry
>> Suppliers(601-354-3565) sells them in pack of 500, so I'm thinking we should
>> have some extras. If not they are stock # 17010
>> 
>> * How much of each component of planting mix should we get? I betting we have
>> extra bags of planting mix around. If not, we have been using "Metro Bedding
>> Plant II mix PN# 65-4300 from Griffin Greenhouse Supply( in Tewksbury Ma.
>> Griffin is near where I work, I can pick some up if need be.
>> 
>> * I have a bulb planter and I have one if you need it
>> 
>> * Tall "milk carton" - like planting tubes for backup nuts - where do we get
>> these? I have these. How many nuts are you going to pot up?
>> 
>> * they have white pines nearby for mycorrhiza - laden soil
>> 
>> * they could use more American nuts Charlotte??
>> 
>> * Other items?
>> 
>> I can order what you need and ship it to you and meet you somewhere to hand
>> of the stuff I have.
>>  
>> As you know, I am at the National Board meeting that weekend so I won't be
>> able to help plant.
>>  
>> 
>> let me know
>> 
>> -Jamie
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  

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From jmirick at mirickoconnell.com  Tue Mar 30 12:14:40 2010
From: jmirick at mirickoconnell.com (Mirick, John O.)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:14:40 -0400
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Materials for SK/MG planting
In-Reply-To: <C7D796FD.1CD68%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
References: <389441.79932.qm@web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<C7D796FD.1CD68%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
Message-ID: <26809008.174201269965681936.JavaMail.SYSTEM@3bclean>

I have  or maybe 3 "milk carton" holders that I can bring to April meeting.  My recollection is that each holder will hold 16 "milk cartons" but I don't believe that I have any on the "milk cartons" left.  They generally are not reusable.  I appreciate that the April meeting is after your planting date, but you can always keep the nuts in the refrigerator for another week.

John

From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Yvonne Federowicz
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 11:55 AM
To: Jamie Donalds; Charlotte Zampini; orchard mgrlist
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Materials for SK/MG planting

Thanks!

SK/MG are doing 2 full lines, plus hopefully some Chinese & Americans.  I have Chinese for them. (Some controls went in last year.)

So in orchard:

Supplies for 260 nuts direct planted (a few less but this is to be safe)

Supplies for "Backup" plantings in "milk cartons" - about 100 - plus about 50 for Westerly (tentative, we might direct-plant but I'd like to have cartons in case we go that route)

-> 150 milk cartons

Do we use the same planting mix in "milk cartons"?

---


On 3/30/10 11:39 AM, "Jamie Donalds" <n1djb at yahoo.com> wrote:
Yvonne,
           How many nuts are you planting?
see my responses below

Orchard managers - Do you have any extra planting materials to help out Yvonne??
________________________________
From: Yvonne Federowicz <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
To: Charlotte Zampini <cbzampini at aol.com>; Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 10:17:46 AM
Subject: Materials for SK/MG planting

Hi Charlotte & Jamie,

The tentative planting date for the MG/SK orchard is the weekend of 4/16 -
4/17.

They still need various supplies - they want to start with Bluex, then
eventually move to hardware cloth but not for now.

So...

* Bluex  (Charlotte ordered already?)  If Charlotte doesn't have any we may be enough leftovers to do the job.Orchard managers??

* bamboo poles (I can procure, but where is best source?)Forestry Suppliers(601-354-3565) sells them in pack of 500, so I'm thinking we should have some extras. If not they are stock # 17010

* How much of each component of planting mix should we get? I betting we have extra bags of planting mix around. If not, we have been using "Metro Bedding Plant II mix PN# 65-4300 from Griffin Greenhouse Supply( in Tewksbury Ma. Griffin is near where I work, I can pick some up if need be.

* I have a bulb planter and I have one if you need it

* Tall "milk carton" - like planting tubes for backup nuts - where do we get
these? I have these. How many nuts are you going to pot up?

* they have white pines nearby for mycorrhiza - laden soil

* they could use more American nuts Charlotte??

* Other items?

I can order what you need and ship it to you and meet you somewhere to hand of the stuff I have.

As you know, I am at the National Board meeting that weekend so I won't be able to help plant.


let me know

-Jamie









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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Tue Mar 30 12:19:36 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:19:36 -0400
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Materials for SK/MG planting
In-Reply-To: <26809008.174201269965681936.JavaMail.SYSTEM@3bclean>
Message-ID: <C7D79CD8.1CD76%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>

Thanks, John ? those might be convenient for some extra nuts, we?ll
appreciate those.


On 3/30/10 12:14 PM, "Mirick, John O." <jmirick at mirickoconnell.com> wrote:

> I have  or maybe 3 ?milk carton? holders that I can bring to April meeting.
> My recollection is that each holder will hold 16 ?milk cartons? but I don?t
> believe that I have any on the ?milk cartons? left.  They generally are not
> reusable.  I appreciate that the April meeting is after your planting date,
> but you can always keep the nuts in the refrigerator for another week.
>  
> John
>  
> 
> From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org
> [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Yvonne
> Federowicz
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 11:55 AM
> To: Jamie Donalds; Charlotte Zampini; orchard mgrlist
> Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Materials for SK/MG planting
>  
> Thanks!
> 
> SK/MG are doing 2 full lines, plus hopefully some Chinese & Americans.  I have
> Chinese for them. (Some controls went in last year.)
> 
> So in orchard:
> 
> Supplies for 260 nuts direct planted (a few less but this is to be safe)
> 
> Supplies for ?Backup? plantings in ?milk cartons? - about 100 ? plus about 50
> for Westerly (tentative, we might direct-plant but I?d like to have cartons in
> case we go that route)
> 
> -> 150 milk cartons
> 
> Do we use the same planting mix in ?milk cartons??
> 
> ---
> 
> 
> On 3/30/10 11:39 AM, "Jamie Donalds" <n1djb at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yvonne,
>            How many nuts are you planting?
> see my responses below
>  
> Orchard managers - Do you have any extra planting materials to help out
> Yvonne?? 
> 
> 
> From: Yvonne Federowicz <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
> To: Charlotte Zampini <cbzampini at aol.com>; Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 10:17:46 AM
> Subject: Materials for SK/MG planting
> 
> Hi Charlotte & Jamie,
> 
> The tentative planting date for the MG/SK orchard is the weekend of 4/16 -
> 4/17.
> 
> They still need various supplies - they want to start with Bluex, then
> eventually move to hardware cloth but not for now.
> 
> So...
> 
> * Bluex  (Charlotte ordered already?)  If Charlotte doesn't have any we may be
> enough leftovers to do the job.Orchard managers??
> 
> * bamboo poles (I can procure, but where is best source?)Forestry
> Suppliers(601-354-3565) sells them in pack of 500, so I'm thinking we should
> have some extras. If not they are stock # 17010
> 
> * How much of each component of planting mix should we get? I betting we have
> extra bags of planting mix around. If not, we have been using "Metro Bedding
> Plant II mix PN# 65-4300 from Griffin Greenhouse Supply( in Tewksbury Ma.
> Griffin is near where I work, I can pick some up if need be.
> 
> * I have a bulb planter and I have one if you need it
> 
> * Tall "milk carton" - like planting tubes for backup nuts - where do we get
> these? I have these. How many nuts are you going to pot up?
> 
> * they have white pines nearby for mycorrhiza - laden soil
> 
> * they could use more American nuts Charlotte??
> 
> * Other items?
> 
> I can order what you need and ship it to you and meet you somewhere to hand of
> the stuff I have.
> 
> As you know, I am at the National Board meeting that weekend so I won't be
> able to help plant.
> 
> 
> let me know
> 
> -Jamie
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
>  
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From jmirick at mirickoconnell.com  Tue Mar 30 12:27:37 2010
From: jmirick at mirickoconnell.com (Mirick, John O.)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:27:37 -0400
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Materials for SK/MG planting
In-Reply-To: <C7D798EB.1CD6F%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
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Yvonne:

Clothes pins are readily available at Home Depot.  Pretty inexpensive.

A different method of marking stakes is to dip the small ends into paint about 4" and let them dry overnight.  If you're short of paint colors, you can do "two tone" marking, waiting a day after the first 4" dip, and then doing a second 2" dip.  Then you can put the stakes painted tip down into a 5 gallon bucket, and pull them out at random for each hole.  You need as many colors as there are lines and controls (actually, one less because you can do a plain stake).   I simply used left over paint from various projects.  Paint last longer than tape, and continues to be an easy field identification of each line for 2-3 years.

Don't know if it will be any help, but I'm attaching an outline that I prepared a couple of years ago for new orchard managers.  One person's observations and approach, and perhaps a bit out of date, but it might be of assistance for your volunteers.

John

From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Yvonne Federowicz
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:03 PM
To: Jamie Donalds; Charlotte Zampini; orchard mgrlist
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Materials for SK/MG planting

P.s.

We also need about 260 clothespins to close the tops of the bluexes. Rudi has colored tape to mark nut types on bamboo poles.





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From rudi20 at cox.net  Tue Mar 30 12:37:38 2010
From: rudi20 at cox.net (Rudolph A Hempe)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:37:38 -0400
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Materials for SK/MG planting
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Re: Materials for SK/MG plantingGood idea

Rudi
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mirick, John O. 
  To: 'masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org' 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Materials for SK/MG planting


  Yvonne:

   

  Clothes pins are readily available at Home Depot.  Pretty inexpensive.

   

  A different method of marking stakes is to dip the small ends into paint about 4" and let them dry overnight.  If you're short of paint colors, you can do "two tone" marking, waiting a day after the first 4" dip, and then doing a second 2" dip.  Then you can put the stakes painted tip down into a 5 gallon bucket, and pull them out at random for each hole.  You need as many colors as there are lines and controls (actually, one less because you can do a plain stake).   I simply used left over paint from various projects.  Paint last longer than tape, and continues to be an easy field identification of each line for 2-3 years.

   

  Don't know if it will be any help, but I'm attaching an outline that I prepared a couple of years ago for new orchard managers.  One person's observations and approach, and perhaps a bit out of date, but it might be of assistance for your volunteers. 

   

  John

   

  From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Yvonne Federowicz
  Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:03 PM
  To: Jamie Donalds; Charlotte Zampini; orchard mgrlist
  Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Materials for SK/MG planting

   

  P.s. 

  We also need about 260 clothespins to close the tops of the bluexes. Rudi has colored tape to mark nut types on bamboo poles.




   

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From n1djb at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 30 12:40:03 2010
From: n1djb at yahoo.com (Jamie Donalds)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:40:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] BC3F3 Planting Location Ideas
Message-ID: <237710.15138.qm@web111404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi All,
?????????????????? As many of you know, the chapter has 59 BC3F3 nuts from Meadowview that have been donated by members to use to further the work we are doing, I'm looking for ideas?of?places to plant these nut that can, for example,?thank a garden club or other orginazation that has supported us in the past,?generate positive ongoing PR for the foundation and our work; i.e, a planting at Old Sturbridge Village, or perhaps creat a new realtionship with a cooperator.??
?????????????????? I know many people will want nuts for plantings?so let's brainstorm to come up with ways for these nuts to benifit the chapter and our goals. Bring yoiu ideas to the chapter board meeting on the 24th
(the agenda?will go out soon!).
thanks and stay dry!
-Jamie


      
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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Tue Mar 30 12:42:33 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:42:33 -0400
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] BC3F3 Planting Location Ideas
In-Reply-To: <237710.15138.qm@web111404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C7D7A239.1CD80%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>

RI is having historic flooding and roads, schools, businesses etc. are
closing down all over.

Not much chance of staying dry!  I hope no orchards take a hit ? but this
should be over relatively quickly, with our sandy soils.


On 3/30/10 12:40 PM, "Jamie Donalds" <n1djb at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>                    As many of you know, the chapter has 59 BC3F3 nuts from
> Meadowview that have been donated by members to use to further the work we are
> doing, I'm looking for ideas of places to plant these nut that can, for
> example, thank a garden club or other orginazation that has supported us in
> the past, generate positive ongoing PR for the foundation and our work; i.e, a
> planting at Old Sturbridge Village, or perhaps creat a new realtionship with a
> cooperator.  
>                    I know many people will want nuts for plantings so let's
> brainstorm to come up with ways for these nuts to benifit the chapter and our
> goals. Bring yoiu ideas to the chapter board meeting on the 24th
> (the agenda will go out soon!).
> thanks and stay dry!
> -Jamie
> 
>  
> 
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From treeworks1 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 30 14:35:17 2010
From: treeworks1 at yahoo.com (Bruce Spencer)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:35:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Materials for SK/MG planting
In-Reply-To: <389441.79932.qm@web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <944360.40430.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I have a box filled with bluex tubes that I no longer need.
Bruce

--- On Tue, 3/30/10, Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Materials for SK/MG planting
To: "Yvonne Federowicz" <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>, "Charlotte Zampini" <cbzampini at aol.com>, "orchard mgrlist" <masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org>
Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 11:39 AM

Yvonne,
?????????? How many nuts are you planting?
see my responses below
?
Orchard managers - Do you have any extra planting materials?to help out Yvonne??





From: Yvonne Federowicz <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
To: Charlotte Zampini <cbzampini at aol.com>; Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 10:17:46 AM
Subject: Materials for SK/MG planting

Hi Charlotte & Jamie,

The tentative planting date for the MG/SK orchard is the weekend of 4/16 -
4/17.

They still need various supplies - they want to start with Bluex, then
eventually move to hardware cloth but not for now.

So...

* Bluex? (Charlotte ordered already?)? If Charlotte doesn't have any we may be enough leftovers to do the job.Orchard managers??

* bamboo poles (I can
 procure, but where is best source?)Forestry Suppliers(601-354-3565) sells them in pack of 500, so I'm thinking we should have some extras. If not they are stock # 17010 

* How much of each component of planting mix should we get? I betting we have extra bags of planting mix around. If not, we have been using "Metro Bedding Plant II mix PN# 65-4300 from Griffin Greenhouse Supply( in Tewksbury Ma. Griffin is near where I work, I can pick some up?if need be.?

* I have a bulb planter and I have one if you need it

* Tall "milk carton" - like planting tubes for backup nuts - where do we get
these? I have these. How many nuts are you going to pot up?

* they have white pines nearby for mycorrhiza - laden soil

* they could use more American nuts Charlotte??

* Other items?

I can order what you need and ship it to you and meet you somewhere to hand of the?stuff?I have.?
?
As you know, I am at the National Board meeting that weekend so?I won't be able to help plant.
?
let me know
-Jamie




      
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From rufin at charter.net  Tue Mar 30 14:59:31 2010
From: rufin at charter.net (Rufin Van Bossuyt)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:59:31 -0400
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] BC3F3 Planting Location Ideas
References: <237710.15138.qm@web111404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004d01cad03b$226c4810$6401a8c0@userr0addk9epy>

Jamie: We had discussed planting the BC3 F3 nuts in Stuewe Pots and growing them for a year and then planting them as seedlings. They would stand a better chance of survival this way especially if they are to be cared for by someone not experienced in growing chestnuts. I built two new growing cages that are protected from critters by hardware cloth. The two cages will each hold 40 pots.
I had planned to plant the nuts in the pots this week. Did you see the e-mails of 3/28 and 3/29?

If we pass on the nuts or seedlings, the people or groups getting them have to sign a germplasm agreement and maintain the specified record keeping.

Rufin 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jamie Donalds 
  To: orchard mgrlist 
  Cc: Megan ; Bryan Burhans 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:40 PM
  Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] BC3F3 Planting Location Ideas


  Hi All,
                     As many of you know, the chapter has 59 BC3F3 nuts from Meadowview that have been donated by members to use to further the work we are doing, I'm looking for ideas of places to plant these nut that can, for example, thank a garden club or other orginazation that has supported us in the past, generate positive ongoing PR for the foundation and our work; i.e, a planting at Old Sturbridge Village, or perhaps creat a new realtionship with a cooperator.  
                     I know many people will want nuts for plantings so let's brainstorm to come up with ways for these nuts to benifit the chapter and our goals. Bring yoiu ideas to the chapter board meeting on the 24th
  (the agenda will go out soon!).
  thanks and stay dry!
  -Jamie




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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Tue Mar 30 15:50:00 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Federowicz, Yvonne Marie)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:50:00 -0400
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Materials for SK/MG planting
References: <944360.40430.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AEFA42E689674541B6C78EA37938E99D02FADA66@MAIL3.AD.Brown.Edu>


We are planning to use the larger type; apparently it's difficult to weed inside the small ones - does anyone know the relevant dimensions so people can check their old boxes of Bluexes?

-----Original Message-----
From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org on behalf of Bruce Spencer
Sent: Tue 3/30/2010 2:35 PM
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Materials for SK/MG planting
 
I have a box filled with bluex tubes that I no longer need.
Bruce

--- On Tue, 3/30/10, Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Materials for SK/MG planting
To: "Yvonne Federowicz" <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>, "Charlotte Zampini" <cbzampini at aol.com>, "orchard mgrlist" <masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org>
Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 11:39 AM

Yvonne,
?????????? How many nuts are you planting?
see my responses below
?
Orchard managers - Do you have any extra planting materials?to help out Yvonne??





From: Yvonne Federowicz <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
To: Charlotte Zampini <cbzampini at aol.com>; Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 10:17:46 AM
Subject: Materials for SK/MG planting

Hi Charlotte & Jamie,

The tentative planting date for the MG/SK orchard is the weekend of 4/16 -
4/17.

They still need various supplies - they want to start with Bluex, then
eventually move to hardware cloth but not for now.

So...

* Bluex? (Charlotte ordered already?)? If Charlotte doesn't have any we may be enough leftovers to do the job.Orchard managers??

* bamboo poles (I can
 procure, but where is best source?)Forestry Suppliers(601-354-3565) sells them in pack of 500, so I'm thinking we should have some extras. If not they are stock # 17010 

* How much of each component of planting mix should we get? I betting we have extra bags of planting mix around. If not, we have been using "Metro Bedding Plant II mix PN# 65-4300 from Griffin Greenhouse Supply( in Tewksbury Ma. Griffin is near where I work, I can pick some up?if need be.?

* I have a bulb planter and I have one if you need it

* Tall "milk carton" - like planting tubes for backup nuts - where do we get
these? I have these. How many nuts are you going to pot up?

* they have white pines nearby for mycorrhiza - laden soil

* they could use more American nuts Charlotte??

* Other items?

I can order what you need and ship it to you and meet you somewhere to hand of the?stuff?I have.?
?
As you know, I am at the National Board meeting that weekend so?I won't be able to help plant.
?
let me know
-Jamie




      
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From Roy at Najecki.com  Tue Mar 30 17:53:35 2010
From: Roy at Najecki.com (Roy)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:53:35 -0400
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] BC3F3 Planting Location Ideas
References: <C7D7A239.1CD80%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
Message-ID: <C8FA614F3C2A4CB998ECD85BEBAE7875@home51fd3ddc3c>

Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] BC3F3 Planting Location IdeasThe Glocester RI orchard looks fine as I just checked it an hour ago. The stream behind the orchard is white-water rapids and water level is up 12 inches. 

Two weeks ago I informally asked Bruce Payton, chair of the Glocester Land Trust, about a Restoration - Demonstration BC3F3 orchard. The chair sounded receptive to signing a 99-year lease to the chapter for such an orchard. I would like to give them a few BC3F3 Meadowview nuts to use in a planting at another of their sites.

Roy Najecki
Glocester RI 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Yvonne Federowicz 
  To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org 
  Cc: Megan ; Bryan Burhans 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] BC3F3 Planting Location Ideas


  RI is having historic flooding and roads, schools, businesses etc. are closing down all over.

  Not much chance of staying dry!  I hope no orchards take a hit - but this should be over relatively quickly, with our sandy soils.


  On 3/30/10 12:40 PM, "Jamie Donalds" <n1djb at yahoo.com> wrote:


    Hi All,
                       As many of you know, the chapter has 59 BC3F3 nuts from Meadowview that have been donated by members to use to further the work we are doing, I'm looking for ideas of places to plant these nut that can, for example, thank a garden club or other orginazation that has supported us in the past, generate positive ongoing PR for the foundation and our work; i.e, a planting at Old Sturbridge Village, or perhaps creat a new realtionship with a cooperator.  
                       I know many people will want nuts for plantings so let's brainstorm to come up with ways for these nuts to benifit the chapter and our goals. Bring yoiu ideas to the chapter board meeting on the 24th
    (the agenda will go out soon!).
    thanks and stay dry!
    -Jamie

     

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From rufin at charter.net  Wed Mar 31 15:21:28 2010
From: rufin at charter.net (Rufin Van Bossuyt)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:21:28 -0400
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Materials for SK/MG planting
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Message-ID: <003f01cad107$5f484af0$6401a8c0@userr0addk9epy>

I have 65 serviceable Blue-X tubes that I salvaged from an orchard. They are 11 inches by two and a half inches in diameter.
I also have two rolls of Hardware cloth, 36 inches tall, and I can probably get more if needed.
I also have quite a few pollination bags.

Rufin
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  From: Bruce Spencer 
  To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 2:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Materials for SK/MG planting


        I have a box filled with bluex tubes that I no longer need.
        Bruce

        --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com> wrote:


          From: Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com>
          Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Materials for SK/MG planting
          To: "Yvonne Federowicz" <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>, "Charlotte Zampini" <cbzampini at aol.com>, "orchard mgrlist" <masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org>
          Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 11:39 AM


          Yvonne,
                     How many nuts are you planting?
          see my responses below

          Orchard managers - Do you have any extra planting materials to help out Yvonne??



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          From: Yvonne Federowicz <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
          To: Charlotte Zampini <cbzampini at aol.com>; Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com>
          Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 10:17:46 AM
          Subject: Materials for SK/MG planting

          Hi Charlotte & Jamie,

          The tentative planting date for the MG/SK orchard is the weekend of 4/16 -
          4/17.

          They still need various supplies - they want to start with Bluex, then
          eventually move to hardware cloth but not for now.

          So...

          * Bluex  (Charlotte ordered already?)  If Charlotte doesn't have any we may be enough leftovers to do the job.Orchard managers??

          * bamboo poles (I can procure, but where is best source?)Forestry Suppliers(601-354-3565) sells them in pack of 500, so I'm thinking we should have some extras. If not they are stock # 17010 

          * How much of each component of planting mix should we get? I betting we have extra bags of planting mix around. If not, we have been using "Metro Bedding Plant II mix PN# 65-4300 from Griffin Greenhouse Supply( in Tewksbury Ma. Griffin is near where I work, I can pick some up if need be. 

          * I have a bulb planter and I have one if you need it

          * Tall "milk carton" - like planting tubes for backup nuts - where do we get
          these? I have these. How many nuts are you going to pot up?

          * they have white pines nearby for mycorrhiza - laden soil

          * they could use more American nuts Charlotte??

          * Other items?

          I can order what you need and ship it to you and meet you somewhere to hand of the stuff I have. 

          As you know, I am at the National Board meeting that weekend so I won't be able to help plant.


          let me know

          -Jamie






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