[MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data Permissions (Database Project)

Mon Jan 25 21:34:01 EST 2010

There are two reasons in general not to make data public.

The first is to avoid being scooped; if you release data, somebody  
else can summarize them and write up a paper, which may well prevent  
you from publishing a paper on those data.  Here, once you have  
published a paper, this reason disappears.

The second reason is to prevent unscrupulous or naive persons from  
twisting your data to say things you don't think the data say.  An  
indirect example of this was the recent hack/theft of emails from  
East Anglia University's Climate Research Center.  Some of those  
emails were reinterpreted by some folks to mean different things than  
what was conveyed in the email, by selective quoting, out of context,  
etc.  I am quite certain that some aspects of the Mass Chapter data  
could be used to claim that the breeding program is headed in the  
wrong direction.  I have already encountered this with two people.

Fred

Frederick V. Hebard, PhD
Staff Pathologist, Meadowview Research Farms
American Chestnut Foundation
14005 Glenbrook Ave.
Meadowview, VA 24361

Email: Fred at acf.org
Web: http://www.acffarms.org
Phone: (276) 944-4631
Fax: (276) 944-0934

On Jan 25, 2010, at 12:56 PM, j. meiklejohn wrote:

> Since I haven't as yet heard a compelling argument for restriction  
> of our MA/RI TACF data, and since National has not laid out any  
> restrictive guidelines, I concur with John Mirick's line of reasoning.
>
>
> However, I would like to hear more from Charlotte and Kendra on  
> this issue before taking a Board vote
>
>
> John Meiklejohn
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yvonne Federowicz" <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:02:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada  
> Eastern
> Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter  
> Data Permissions (Database Project)
>
> I generally agree, provided that people credit the chapter etc. for  
> the data... Which should be standard procedure for anyone  
> publishing anyhow.
>
> Perhaps Charlotte has thoughts too? Other folks?
>
>
>
> On 1/25/10 11:57 AM, "Mirick, John O." <jmirick at mirickoconnell.com>  
> wrote:
>
>
>
> At the risk of being too provocative, can anyone articulate a  
> reason to RESTRICT use of our data?  For publication or otherwise?   
> (I appreciate that I’m approaching this issue as a layperson,  
> rather than as a graduate student or faculty member.)  But if  
> someone in a university program wants to review our data and write  
> a paper, say on the growth rate of BC3 crosses in glacial till in  
> Zone 4 in Massachusetts as compared to sandy soil in Zone 5, or on  
> survival rate of germinated seeds with irrigation systems as  
> compared to occasional watering by hand, or on the incidence of  
> deer browse and the success of counter-measures, isn’t it in the  
> interests of re-introducing the chestnuts to have as many such  
> studies as possible out there?
>
> Absent a contrary direction from National, or a really compelling   
> reason for restriction, I would allow access and use to all,  
> including access and use for publication.
>
> John
>
>
> From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org  
> [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of  
> Yvonne Federowicz
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:39 AM
> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
> Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter  
> Data Permissions (Database Project)
>
> Are folks saying that they think everyone should have standing  
> permission to publish using our data?  (That wasn’t exactly what  
> our meeting Motion implied, from my perspective.)
>
> Thanks. Yvonne
>
>
> On 1/25/10 11:14 AM, "Guy Shepard" <tsuga35 at aol.com> wrote:
> I go along with Mike, let anyone use it until national says  
> something, we are helping american forests.
> Guy
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Federowicz, Yvonne Marie <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
> Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:38 am
> Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data  
> Permissions (Database Project)
>
>
> Hello - the  group of TACF national & chapter people working on the  
> database
> would like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up with in our  
> January
> meeting.
>
> I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal  
> discussion of
> this, but they would like feedback so your considered ideas are  
> very welcome.
>
> They would like to know:
>
> (1.)  Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data;
>
> (2.) Does everyone need permission from the group in (1.)  to  
> publish using this
> data?
>       This could include:
>        a.) TACF national staff
>        b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
>        c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
>        d.) Anyone else you can think of here?
>
> We could also give certain people or groups "standing permission";  
> I think that
> at the least,  we probably would give MA/RI Board members such  
> permission,
> otherwise Charlotte couldn't even make lists from the data for  
> presentation,
> without us taking a vote. (we discussed this some)
>
> *************
> * Motion:
> * 01/1010
> *************
>
> * We strongly feel that it is important for our data (both  
> summaries and raw) to
> be viewably (read access) open to chapters and TACF members and  
> staff. However
> people will need permission to use our data to publish.
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