[MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data Permissions (Database Project)
Sara Fitzsimmons
sff3 at psu.edu
Mon Jan 25 15:54:21 EST 2010
Hi John,
I just wanted to comment on that "National has
not laid out any restrictive guidelines".
The guidelines for National data have not yet
been fully compiled. The discussion is
continuing. A major point, however, is that
whatever National says should not dictate,
necessarily, what the Chapters do. In our
database discussions, it was made very clear that
Chapter should have ultimate ownership of their own data.
That said, it may be of use to think about any
broader stipulations that may be outlined in
either 1) the Chapter's original agreement w/
TACF and/or 2) the Science Agreement w/ TACF.
I have not legal background, nor do I claim to
know what any of the possible implications would be, either way.
I just hope it would provide further food for thought.
Sara
At 12:56 PM 1/25/2010, j. meiklejohn wrote:
>Since I haven't as yet heard a compelling
>argument for restriction of our MA/RI TACF data,
>and since National has not laid out any
>restrictive guidelines, I concur with John Mirick's line of reasoning.
>
>
>
>However, I would like to hear more from
>Charlotte and Kendra on this issue before taking a Board vote
>
>
>
>John Meiklejohn
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Yvonne Federowicz" <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
>To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
>Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:02:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback
>needed: MA/RI Chapter Data Permissions (Database Project)
>
>I generally agree, provided that people credit
>the chapter etc. for the data... Which should be
>standard procedure for anyone publishing anyhow.
>
>Perhaps Charlotte has thoughts too? Other folks?
>
>
>
>On 1/25/10 11:57 AM, "Mirick, John O."
><<http://sz0149.wc.mail.comcast.net/zimbra/public/jmirick@mirickoconnell.com>jmirick at mirickoconnell.com>
>wrote:
>
>At the risk of being too provocative, can anyone
>articulate a reason to RESTRICT use of our
>data? For publication or otherwise? (I
>appreciate that I’m approaching this issue as
>a layperson, rather than as a graduate student
>or faculty member.) But if someone in a
>university program wants to review our data and
>write a paper, say on the growth rate of BC3
>crosses in glacial till in Zone 4 in
>Massachusetts as compared to sandy soil in Zone
>5, or on survival rate of germinated seeds with
>irrigation systems as compared to occasional
>watering by hand, or on the incidence of deer
>browse and the success of counter-measures,
>isn’t it in the interests of re-introducing
>the chestnuts to have as many such studies as possible out there?
>
>Absent a contrary direction from National, or a
>really compelling reason for restriction, I
>would allow access and use to all, including access and use for publication.
>
>John
>
>
>From:
><http://sz0149.wc.mail.comcast.net/zimbra/public/masschestnutorchards-bounces@masschestnut.org>masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org
>[mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org]
>On Behalf Of Yvonne Federowicz
>Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:39 AM
>To:
><http://sz0149.wc.mail.comcast.net/zimbra/public/masschestnutorchards@masschestnut.org>masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
>Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback
>needed: MA/RI Chapter Data Permissions (Database Project)
>
>Are folks saying that they think everyone should
>have standing permission to publish using our
>data? (That wasn’t exactly what our meeting
>Motion implied, from my perspective.)
>
>Thanks. Yvonne
>
>
>On 1/25/10 11:14 AM, "Guy Shepard"
><<http://sz0149.wc.mail.comcast.net/zimbra/public/tsuga35@aol.com>tsuga35 at aol.com>
>wrote:
>I go along with Mike, let anyone use it until
>national says something, we are helping american forests.
>Guy
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Federowicz, Yvonne Marie
><<http://sz0149.wc.mail.comcast.net/zimbra/public/Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
>To:
><http://sz0149.wc.mail.comcast.net/zimbra/public/masschestnutorchards@masschestnut.org>masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
>Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:38 am
>Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed:
>MA/RI Chapter Data Permissions (Database Project)
>
>
>Hello - the group of TACF national & chapter people working on the database
>would like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up with in our January
>meeting.
>
>I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal discussion of
>this, but they would like feedback so your considered ideas are very welcome.
>
>They would like to know:
>
>(1.) Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data;
>
>(2.) Does everyone need permission from the
>group in (1.) to publish using this
>data?
> This could include:
> a.) TACF national staff
> b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
> c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
> d.) Anyone else you can think of here?
>
>We could also give certain people or groups
>"standing permission"; I think that
>at the least, we probably would give MA/RI Board members such permission,
>otherwise Charlotte couldn't even make lists from the data for presentation,
>without us taking a vote. (we discussed this some)
>
>*************
>* Motion:
>* 01/1010
>*************
>
>* We strongly feel that it is important for our
>data (both summaries and raw) to
>be viewably (read access) open to chapters and
>TACF members and staff. However
>people will need permission to use our data to publish.
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Sara Fern Fitzsimmons
Northern Appalachian Regional Science Coordinator
The American Chestnut Foundation®
The Pennsylvania State University
206 Forest Resources Lab
University Park, PA 16802
e-mail: sara at acf.org
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