From rufin at charter.net  Fri Jan  1 14:51:54 2010
From: rufin at charter.net (Rufin Van Bossuyt)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:51:54 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Fw: REVISED DCR Forest Futures Public Forums
	Press Release
Message-ID: <000c01ca8b1b$de990ab0$cca77444@userr0addk9epy>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MA Office Disp Resolution" <Modrdcrffvp at umb.edu>
To: "MA Office Disp Resolution" <Modrdcrffvp at umb.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:46 AM
Subject: REVISED DCR Forest Futures Public Forums Press Release



Good Morning:

Attached is a revised version of the previously distributed press release 
from the Department of Conservation and Recreation.






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From dandfhoward at rcn.com  Fri Jan  1 16:10:02 2010
From: dandfhoward at rcn.com (Frank Howard)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:10:02 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Fw: REVISED DCR Forest Futures Public
	Forums Press Release
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Message-ID: <2DE3D9EE-A32E-453A-BC05-79760AE79708@rcn.com>

Dear Rufin, Thank you and Happy New Year to you and your family, Frank
On Jan 1, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Rufin Van Bossuyt wrote:

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From mike.meixsell at juno.com  Tue Jan  5 18:26:05 2010
From: mike.meixsell at juno.com (mike.meixsell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 23:26:05 GMT
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Fw: REVISED DCR Forest Futures Public
	Forum	s Press Release
Message-ID: <20100105.182605.22856.5@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Frank,
Good to hear from you.
Happy new year, Mike M.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Frank Howard <dandfhoward at rcn.com>
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Fw: REVISED DCR Forest Futures Public Forums Press Release
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:10:02 -0500

Dear Rufin, Thank you and Happy New Year to you and your family, Frank
On Jan 1, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Rufin Van Bossuyt wrote:

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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Tue Jan  5 18:42:07 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:42:07 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Recent Roundup research
In-Reply-To: <20100105.182605.22856.5@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <C769387F.1ACF9%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>


> I just read about this article in a local blog, http://www.ecori.org/opinion/
> ...
> 
> Glyphosate is the main ingredient in Roundup.
> 
Copyright ? 2009 Elsevier Ireland Ltd All rights reserved.

 
Glyphosate-based herbicides are toxic and endocrine disruptors in human cell
lines 

 C?line Gasniera,  Coralie Dumontb  , Nora Benachoura , Emilie Claira  ,
Marie-Christine Chagnonb  and Gilles-Eric S?ralinia
aUniversity of Caen, Institute of Biology, Lab. Biochemistry EA2608,
Esplanade de la Paix, 14032 Caen cedex, France

bUniversity of Burgundy, Lab. Food Toxicology UMR1129, 1 Esplanade Erasme,
21000 Dijon, France
 

Received 10 April 2009;?
revised 4 June 2009;?
accepted 8 June 2009.?
Available online 17 June 2009.

Abstract
Glyphosate-based herbicides are the most widely used across the world; they
are commercialized in different formulations. Their residues are frequent
pollutants in the environment. In addition, these herbicides are spread on
most eaten transgenic plants, modified to tolerate high levels of these
compounds in their cells. Up to 400?ppm of their residues are accepted in
some feed. We exposed human liver HepG2 cells, a well-known model to study
xenobiotic toxicity, to four different formulations and to glyphosate, which
is usually tested alone in chronic in vivo regulatory studies. We measured
cytotoxicity with three assays (Alamar Blue?, MTT, ToxiLight?), plus
genotoxicity (comet assay), anti-estrogenic (on ER?, ER?) and
anti-androgenic effects (on AR) using gene reporter tests. We also checked
androgen to estrogen conversion by aromatase activity and mRNA. All
parameters were disrupted at sub-agricultural doses with all formulations
within 24?h. These effects were more dependent on the formulation than on
the glyphosate concentration. First, we observed a human cell endocrine
disruption from 0.5?ppm on the androgen receptor in MDA-MB453-kb2 cells for
the most active formulation (R400), then from 2?ppm the transcriptional
activities on both estrogen receptors were also inhibited on HepG2.
Aromatase transcription and activity were disrupted from 10?ppm. Cytotoxic
effects started at 10?ppm with Alamar Blue assay (the most sensitive), and
DNA damages at 5?ppm. A real cell impact of glyphosate-based herbicides
residues in food, feed or in the environment has thus to be considered, and
their classifications as carcinogens/mutagens/reprotoxics is discussed.
 
Keywords: Glyphosate; Roundup
<http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TCN-4WJBC0R-1&_u
ser=489286&_coverDate=08%2F21%2F2009&_alid=1155487891&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_ori
g=search&_cdi=5175&_sort=r&_docanchor=&view=c&_ct=12&_acct=C000022678&_versi
on=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=489286&md5=6aca472878570900d0baf1c0343b909d#hit2>
; Endocrine disruptor; HepG2; Sexual steroids
 

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From kendra at acf.org  Wed Jan  6 11:11:17 2010
From: kendra at acf.org (Kendra Gurney)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:11:17 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?
Message-ID: <010f01ca8eea$e19b6730$a4d23590$@org>

Hi Folks -

 

TACF staff are looking to update some of our "standard" publications, like
the membership brochure, and I was wondering - how "official" is the RI
inclusion in the MA chapter?  Has there been any change to the chapter's
by-laws or name to officially include RI within the MA chapter?  I ask
because we do have 2 joint chapters, VT/NH and the Carolinas, and if the MA
chapter should be listed as MA/RI we would want to make that change in our
documents.  I know functionally RI is a part of the MA chapter, but wasn't
sure if that inclusion needs to be mentioned in the chapter name or not.
Any clarification would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks!

 

Kendra

 

Kendra Gurney
The American Chestnut FoundationR

New England Regional Science Coordinator
USFS Northern Research Station
705 Spear Street
South Burlington, VT 05403
Tel: 802.951.6771 x1350 Fax: 802.951.6368

Cell: 802.999.8706
 <mailto:Kendra at acf.org> Kendra at acf.org or kgurney at uvm.edu

 

 

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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Wed Jan  6 11:33:13 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:33:13 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?
In-Reply-To: <010f01ca8eea$e19b6730$a4d23590$@org>
Message-ID: <C76A2579.1AD43%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>

Hi Kendra, Meghan and members,

We have brought up our need to change our paperwork to include RI.  It seems
fairly official but not in writing (yet) -does anyone else have comments on
this?

Perhaps we can ask John Mirick if there is any trouble with simply changing
the name and a few lines in our MA-based charter to make the inclusion, and
if we can skip doing anything official with RI government?


Thanks, Yvonne



On 1/6/10 11:11 AM, "Kendra Gurney" <kendra at acf.org> wrote:

> Hi Folks ?
>  
> TACF staff are looking to update some of our ?standard? publications, like the
> membership brochure, and I was wondering ? how ?official? is the RI inclusion
> in the MA chapter?  Has there been any change to the chapter?s by-laws or name
> to officially include RI within the MA chapter?  I ask because we do have 2
> joint chapters, VT/NH and the Carolinas, and if the MA chapter should be
> listed as MA/RI we would want to make that change in our documents.  I know
> functionally RI is a part of the MA chapter, but wasn?t sure if that inclusion
> needs to be mentioned in the chapter name or not.  Any clarification would be
> greatly appreciated.
>  
> Thanks!
>  
> Kendra
>  
> Kendra Gurney
> The American Chestnut Foundation?
> New England Regional Science Coordinator
> USFS Northern Research Station
> 705 Spear Street
> South Burlington, VT 05403
> Tel: 802.951.6771 x1350 Fax: 802.951.6368
> Cell: 802.999.8706
> Kendra at acf.org <mailto:Kendra at acf.org> or kgurney at uvm.edu <kgurney at uvm.edu>
>  
>  
> 
> 
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From rudi20 at cox.net  Wed Jan  6 11:39:55 2010
From: rudi20 at cox.net (Rudolph A Hempe)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:39:55 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?
References: <010f01ca8eea$e19b6730$a4d23590$@org>
Message-ID: <3213EF1406844AC3B0609FC7BE7B9EDF@rudihempe>

Hi,
My 2-cents worth. With 4 orchards in RI it would be nice to have representation in the chapter's official name.

Rudi
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kendra Gurney 
  To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org 
  Cc: 'meghan Jordan' 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:11 AM
  Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?


  Hi Folks -

   

  TACF staff are looking to update some of our "standard" publications, like the membership brochure, and I was wondering - how "official" is the RI inclusion in the MA chapter?  Has there been any change to the chapter's by-laws or name to officially include RI within the MA chapter?  I ask because we do have 2 joint chapters, VT/NH and the Carolinas, and if the MA chapter should be listed as MA/RI we would want to make that change in our documents.  I know functionally RI is a part of the MA chapter, but wasn't sure if that inclusion needs to be mentioned in the chapter name or not.  Any clarification would be greatly appreciated.

   

  Thanks!

   

  Kendra

   

  Kendra Gurney
  The American Chestnut Foundation?

  New England Regional Science Coordinator
  USFS Northern Research Station
  705 Spear Street
  South Burlington, VT 05403
  Tel: 802.951.6771 x1350 Fax: 802.951.6368

  Cell: 802.999.8706
  Kendra at acf.org or kgurney at uvm.edu

   

   



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From jmirick at mirickoconnell.com  Wed Jan  6 12:25:41 2010
From: jmirick at mirickoconnell.com (Mirick, John O.)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:25:41 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?
Message-ID: <32701689.247801262798743462.JavaMail.SYSTEM@3bclean>

A change of name is a mildly complicated formality.  I think that our articles of organization as currently stated allow us to encompass activities in RI.

Let's discuss at January Board meeting.

John

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 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Yvonne Federowicz [mailto:Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu]
Sent:	Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:33 AM Eastern Standard Time
To:	kendra at acf.org; masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Cc:	'meghan Jordan'; Mirick, John O.
Subject:	Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?

Hi Kendra, Meghan and members,

We have brought up our need to change our paperwork to include RI.  It seems fairly official but not in writing (yet) -does anyone else have comments on this?

Perhaps we can ask John Mirick if there is any trouble with simply changing the name and a few lines in our MA-based charter to make the inclusion, and if we can skip doing anything official with RI government?


Thanks, Yvonne



On 1/6/10 11:11 AM, "Kendra Gurney" <kendra at acf.org> wrote:



	Hi Folks ?
	 
	TACF staff are looking to update some of our ?standard? publications, like the membership brochure, and I was wondering ? how ?official? is the RI inclusion in the MA chapter?  Has there been any change to the chapter?s by-laws or name to officially include RI within the MA chapter?  I ask because we do have 2 joint chapters, VT/NH and the Carolinas, and if the MA chapter should be listed as MA/RI we would want to make that change in our documents.  I know functionally RI is a part of the MA chapter, but wasn?t sure if that inclusion needs to be mentioned in the chapter name or not.  Any clarification would be greatly appreciated.
	 
	Thanks!
	 
	Kendra
	 
	Kendra Gurney
	The American Chestnut Foundation?
	New England Regional Science Coordinator
	USFS Northern Research Station
	705 Spear Street
	South Burlington, VT 05403
	Tel: 802.951.6771 x1350 Fax: 802.951.6368
	Cell: 802.999.8706
	Kendra at acf.org <mailto:Kendra at acf.org> or kgurney at uvm.edu <kgurney at uvm.edu> 
	 
	 
	
	
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From JohnViolin7 at aol.com  Wed Jan  6 14:24:48 2010
From: JohnViolin7 at aol.com (JohnViolin7 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:24:48 EST
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] MATACF Draft Minutes Annual Meeting
	11/15/09
Message-ID: <ca8.4db5f82b.38763d80@aol.com>

Is the meeting on the 17th, or the 10th?   I have been assuming it is the 
17th.    John Emery
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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Wed Jan  6 14:22:01 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:22:01 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] MATACF Draft Minutes Annual Meeting
 11/15/09
In-Reply-To: <ca8.4db5f82b.38763d80@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C76A4D09.1AD61%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>

Yes, that is the date.

We might be starting at 12 though instead of 1, I think our agenda is
getting larger... We will definitely need coffee.


On 1/6/10 2:24 PM, "John Emery" <johnviolin7 at aol.com> wrote:

> Is the meeting on the 17th, or the 10th?   I have been assuming it is the
> 17th.    John Emery
> 
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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Wed Jan  6 14:57:58 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:57:58 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] MATACF Draft Minutes Annual Meeting
 11/15/09
In-Reply-To: <C76A4D09.1AD61%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
Message-ID: <C76A5576.1AD68%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>

I meant that the 17th is the date.


On 1/6/10 2:22 PM, "Yvonne Federowicz" <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu> wrote:

> Yes, that is the date.
> 
> We might be starting at 12 though instead of 1, I think our agenda is getting
> larger... We will definitely need coffee.
> 
> 
> On 1/6/10 2:24 PM, "John Emery" <johnviolin7 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> Is the meeting on the 17th, or the 10th?   I have been assuming it is the
>> 17th.    John Emery
>> 
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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Wed Jan  6 15:12:35 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:12:35 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] MA/RI TACF Autumn Meeting Minutes
Message-ID: <C76A58E3.1AD6A%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>

In case this didn?t make it out to the full list...

---



****************************************************************************
*
*
Draft Minutes MA-RI/TACF October 3, 2009 Quarterly meeting
River Bend ? Uxbridge, MA
*
****************************************************************************
*

Present:  Guy Shepard, Brian Clarke, Mike Novack, Jamie Donalds, Brad Smith,
Rufin Van Bossuyt, Denis Melican, Lois Melican, Kathy Desjardin, Yvonne
Federowicz, John Meiklejohn, Kendra Gurney


Treasurer's Report MikeNovack

It will be 2-3 years before we are planting thousands of trees in Seed
Orchards
Finances are looking good even though donations are down somewhat

We are doing well partly since the orchard supply expenses are down.

************************************************************************
Motion to approve Treasurer's Report: Brian, seconded Guy.  Approved
Unanimously.
************************************************************************

Mike would like a budget committee.  Volunteers: Mike Novack, John
Meiklejohn, Jamie Donalds.
Idea is to approve a tentative budget.  Should have something by the January
meeting to put in front of the Board..

Secretary's Report Kathy Desjardin

330 members so down a bit
Have a few contacts new, got some tree calls
New person in Chepachet (part of Glocester, RI)
Also Kendra heard from someone in Foster, RI




Harvesting:  Brian is trying to get the tall mother tree harvested; some
difficulty with truck.  A road was put in back to this tree over the summer
which helps.

Geocaching:  Kendra has used TACF poker chips in these, and Jamie has a
?travel bug? with chestnut wood and his bug is getting him emails ? it's out
in KY now.

New tree leads:  there are more potential mother trees coming in

Kendra has a nice fillable PDF form that she can send Yvonne for the website

A leaf sample of ?sawtooth oak? from Asia was brought in; it looks
remarkably like chestnut

Minutes ? approval of August 2009 ? Brad motioned approve, Rufin seconded,
unanimously approved
*******************
Inoculation Report
*******************


We have done 4 inoculations so far

Looked at Wrentham in July, made some final selections
some can be removed now.  Mower would like some pruning done, he does a very
nice job.

Kendra will look at John Emery's orchard again on November 14.
Presentation at URI ? November 14, 2009 ? Kendra

When do we pull out?  Depends on what we want to do with the land.  To fill
the seed orchard, the BC3F1 selections have to grow a bit to begin to
produce more offspring (BC3F2).

No need to rush inoculation because it stresses trees out and might slow
their flowering; we will need them to grow larger.

2-4 selections per line rather than 1 to reduce inbreeding further down the
line

Kendra:  inoculation is much easier with about 15 people

Putting tree numbers onto trees makes them easier  - Kendra found a ?timber
crayon? - in Forestry Supplies ? don't come off easily

John Emery and Kendra will look at his orchard again

John Meiklejohn: soon we will have an uptick in # of inoculations per summer

Kendra: Fred feels that larger tree diameters before inoculation is better
now.  Doing whole orchard at once is best.

Keeping track of how many trees have natural blight, how many are large
enough ? very helpful in timing inoculation

Rufin: at Wrentham the innermost row is not doing as well

In CT one tree grew 8 feet this summer
Generally was a good year for growth

Organizing ahead of time is key to getting volunteers to help

TNC might have some; Trustees of Reservations, Audubon, Wild Turkey
Federation, RITree, Master Gardeners

Paul Gayle has seen the Glocester Orchard ? has a forest management plan for
his acreage ? would like to do a test planting.  Kendra's group has not yet
figured out how to respond

This person is a new ?cooperator? - might be 5 years before National can get
them seed but perhaps he could work at seed orchard or regular orchard

Person in Glocester ? can they do a seed orchard?
Would they like to do a Nanking?

Nanking might have resistance more similar to Henryii ? might be a cross
from China

Yvonne and Kendra will go out to see Mr. Gayle's property, maybe it could be
another Nanking spot?

Rufin:  Mass Fish & Wildlife would like to put seedlings in and Sandy
Anagnostakis is giving them some, we are not sure what type

We requested that they not put them very close to our orchards to keep the
genetics  separate

ANNUAL MEETING
We need a speaker!  Annual Meeting

Possibilities:
Kendra:  Hopkins has done work on general forest change
Paul  Scharbag at Forest Service ? Kendra's advisor? has done cold tolerance
work ? climate change tie-in
Brian the new president of TACF is another possibility ? he will likely
attend and we would like to ask him to talk some anyway
The scientists who did the two sets of websites on chestnut response to
climate change (modelling)


Kendra will also be speaking at URI 9-12.
Yvonne might talk a bit there, also man who put together the solar
installation


Charlotte ? genetics and how much interbreeding

Site is ok ? Brad has it organized.  Site has a security person.

Signage
Kathy & Brad to do 
desserts, food
projections stuff
need a projector ? Chapter machine

There are two rooms we can use.  Board and beginners meetings

Board Meeting starts at 10; presentations at 11
Could have a video
Brad managing the newcomers' meeting; Kendra can help if needed
Video recordings: Marty Jessel?

Orchards
Rhode Island:

Westerly soil test showed little nitrogen, esp in deeper soil

FORMALIZE:
We should require soil tests before any seed orchard is put in
Also a test planting

River Bend with irrigation is doing much better

Spigots should get drained

***************
Elections:
***************


Will need to suspend bylaws for people first elected in 2001

Board size will be shrinking

Yvonne could ask Rhode Island people

Frank Howard and Jim Garland:  making them honorary?
We need to discuss this in January ? what to do for these people as thanks,
keep them involved

Roy could be asked ? he has come to several Board meetings
Motion: if Roy shows interest when asked by Yvonne, that we are approving
his nomination today so it will have been approved within the 30-day limit.
John Meiklejohn.  Seconded: Yvonne.

Approved unanimously

The 20th position would be open then.

National TACF Meetings

National brought up ?regionalizing? representation.  Jamie and many of us do
not like this idea.

Jamie would like to make a proposal at Pittsburgh with our support:
decouple chapter representation to national board from the Presidency.
Could be a ?seasoned? member

Representation from chapters doesn't have to be the president but would be
for 3 years?
Rufin is ?at-large? member of board

?green-ness? is bad, takes time to learn the committees and such.
Chairman thinks Board is too large, unwieldy

Number of chapters has grown

Mike Novack: moves that chapter expresses its support for that change type.
John Meiklejohn seconded.  Passed unanimously.


SEED ORCHARDS
John Mirick came up with a report on seed orchard development but could not
make this meeting - > January meeting

DCR & chief forester very in favor of seed orchard (Lois & Denis) but no
paperwork yet
Meetings coming up.

Trustees of Reservations ? Rufin went to see their proposed site.  Smaller
than we need for seed orchard plus surrounded by invasives like autumn
olive.

Jamie:  he could draft a letter to Trustees.  Will pass it by John Mirick ?
working with Guy, John Meiklejohn & John Mirick ? partnering with Trustees
for seed orchard space

Kendra offered to help with that as well ? also researching

John Meiklejohn has a spot he would like Kendra to help look at re. seed
orchard

Minimum seed orchard size:  3?4 acre

Stockbridge orchard:  getting support for this ? Jamie & Rufin asked Kendra
to help since she goes down to CT.  We have lots of members there, and one
manager. Craig Moffit.

We could try to organize work parties of members near Stockbridge
Rufin: Kathy gave him a list of people

Peter Berle = Former Stockbridge manager - was president of National
Audubon, did lots of other environmental work.

Laurel Hill conservancy is in that area; it is the oldest conservancy in
country now.
TACF may have taken some pollen from their hill early on.

Conway orchard ? John Meiklejohn & Charlotte went up last fall.  Intended to
get back but have not yet.  Trees are growing into their wire cages.  Metal
tubes, impacted.

Plan:  go up to Conway in Spring 2010 and do more maintenance.

Mike Novack lives fairly close to it.

If someone comes forward and wants to help with Conway, we can use their
help

Conway Mother Tree:
Guy knows person to help Brian
Kendra might know someone also
John Meiklejohn:  Bartlett Tree is very committed to TACF around country,
has helped in Granville

Other harvests:  RI to be done this week

Weedwhacker ? Rufin taking, to get to Charlotte

The irrigation system for Glocester is coming in; it has been on back order

Master Gardeners don't need theirs perhaps but

Glocester needs to get it ? then we can install next spring
Jamie will contact Yvonne once it's all in, then we can get it to RI for
winter

Tech Soup ? people liked idea of us getting account; Kendra can then have
access for Adobe

Denis & Lois ? chocolate chestnut ice cream for annual meeting

SCA headquarters is in Charlestown NH and they want an orchard ? Kendra will
be working with them

TACF National Meeting:
photos are good but presentation needs to be updated
Kendra will send around the PDF for us to update

Get orchard measurements to Charlotte!!!

Motion to Adjourn 4:17


Yvonne needs to contact Don Wulf in Cranston ? Kathy will send pictures
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From jmirick at mirickoconnell.com  Wed Jan  6 16:51:25 2010
From: jmirick at mirickoconnell.com (Mirick, John O.)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:51:25 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?
In-Reply-To: <FD921688EDE111498F6A8D88A80A0BBC013A7B33AD@email-wor.mirick.int>
References: <FD921688EDE111498F6A8D88A80A0BBC013A7B33AD@email-wor.mirick.int>
Message-ID: <20014969.253101262814687142.JavaMail.SYSTEM@3bclean>

I pulled our Articles of Incorporation.  Let me give a more specific response.


Our official name is "The Massachusetts Chapter of the American Chestnut Foundation, Corp."

We can vote to change the name to "The Massachusetts-Rhode Island Chapter of the American Chestnut Foundation, Corp." and then file a change of name certificate with the Secretary of the Commonwealth (I think that there's a $100 filing fee).  To comply with statute and by-laws, for a name change we need to give notice to the board that the name change will be on the agenda.  Adoption of name change requires majority vote.


Our purpose is assist in the work of the American Chestnut Foundation in bringing about a revival and a renewal of the American chestnut tree as a prominent part of the forests of the United States of America......   

There is no geographic restriction in the purpose clause.  So we can work to accomplish our purpose in Rhode Island as well as in Massachusetts, without any need to revise our Articles of Incorporation.


As currently written, the by-laws limit us to 17 directors, elected for 2 year terms.  With a formal expansion to include Rhode Island, we might want a larger number.  The Board can increase the number of directors (again, requires notice and majority vote).  

Personally, I'd like to see us move to 3 year terms which helps to insure continuity.  With Rhode Island formally included, perhaps we should be considering 21 directors, which would mean 7 positions to be filled (or continued) each year. 


John



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-----Original Message-----
From: Mirick, John O. 
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:26 PM
To: 'Yvonne Federowicz'; 'kendra at acf.org'; 'masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org'
Cc: 'meghan Jordan'
Subject: RE: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?

A change of name is a mildly complicated formality.  I think that our articles of organization as currently stated allow us to encompass activities in RI.

Let's discuss at January Board meeting.

John

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 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Yvonne Federowicz [mailto:Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu]
Sent:	Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:33 AM Eastern Standard Time
To:	kendra at acf.org; masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Cc:	'meghan Jordan'; Mirick, John O.
Subject:	Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?

Hi Kendra, Meghan and members,

We have brought up our need to change our paperwork to include RI.  It seems fairly official but not in writing (yet) -does anyone else have comments on this?

Perhaps we can ask John Mirick if there is any trouble with simply changing the name and a few lines in our MA-based charter to make the inclusion, and if we can skip doing anything official with RI government?


Thanks, Yvonne



On 1/6/10 11:11 AM, "Kendra Gurney" <kendra at acf.org> wrote:



	Hi Folks -
	 
	TACF staff are looking to update some of our "standard" publications, like the membership brochure, and I was wondering - how "official" is the RI inclusion in the MA chapter?  Has there been any change to the chapter's by-laws or name to officially include RI within the MA chapter?  I ask because we do have 2 joint chapters, VT/NH and the Carolinas, and if the MA chapter should be listed as MA/RI we would want to make that change in our documents.  I know functionally RI is a part of the MA chapter, but wasn't sure if that inclusion needs to be mentioned in the chapter name or not.  Any clarification would be greatly appreciated.
	 
	Thanks!
	 
	Kendra
	 
	Kendra Gurney
	The American Chestnut Foundation?
	New England Regional Science Coordinator
	USFS Northern Research Station
	705 Spear Street
	South Burlington, VT 05403
	Tel: 802.951.6771 x1350 Fax: 802.951.6368
	Cell: 802.999.8706
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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Wed Jan  6 17:12:06 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:12:06 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?
In-Reply-To: <20014969.253101262814687142.JavaMail.SYSTEM@3bclean>
Message-ID: <C76A74E6.1ADA0%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>

Hi John,

Thank you very much for reviewing these documents;

re. the number on the Board, we have modified the number at least twice, at
annual meetings (one of these was 2008, when it was expanded to 20).  We
have an open slot since two people declined to run again in 2009, but only
one new board member was elected. The maximum is currently set at 20, and we
have 19 current Board members. So 21 would not be a large change.

Three-year terms could have advantages; also, for more and more people, we
are suspending the bylaw that limits the number of consecutive terms Board
members can sit for. So perhaps that could be modified as well until we get
a flood of new people...


On 1/6/10 4:51 PM, "Mirick, John O." <jmirick at mirickoconnell.com> wrote:

> I pulled our Articles of Incorporation.  Let me give a more specific response.
> 
> 
> Our official name is "The Massachusetts Chapter of the American Chestnut
> Foundation, Corp."
> 
> We can vote to change the name to "The Massachusetts-Rhode Island Chapter of
> the American Chestnut Foundation, Corp." and then file a change of name
> certificate with the Secretary of the Commonwealth (I think that there's a
> $100 filing fee).  To comply with statute and by-laws, for a name change we
> need to give notice to the board that the name change will be on the agenda.
> Adoption of name change requires majority vote.
> 
> 
> Our purpose is assist in the work of the American Chestnut Foundation in
> bringing about a revival and a renewal of the American chestnut tree as a
> prominent part of the forests of the United States of America......
> 
> There is no geographic restriction in the purpose clause.  So we can work to
> accomplish our purpose in Rhode Island as well as in Massachusetts, without
> any need to revise our Articles of Incorporation.
> 
> 
> As currently written, the by-laws limit us to 17 directors, elected for 2 year
> terms.  With a formal expansion to include Rhode Island, we might want a
> larger number.  The Board can increase the number of directors (again,
> requires notice and majority vote).
> 
> Personally, I'd like to see us move to 3 year terms which helps to insure
> continuity.  With Rhode Island formally included, perhaps we should be
> considering 21 directors, which would mean 7 positions to be filled (or
> continued) each year.
> 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> JOHN O. MIRICK |?Partner
> Mirick, O'Connell, DeMallie & Lougee, LLP
> 100 Front Street?|?Worcester?|?MA?| 01608-1477
> Main:           508.791.8500
> Direct Dial:   508.860.1550
> Direct Fax:   508.983.6279
> jmirick at mirickoconnell.com
> 
> Please visit our website:
> www.mirickoconnell.com
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mirick, John O.
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:26 PM
> To: 'Yvonne Federowicz'; 'kendra at acf.org';
> 'masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org'
> Cc: 'meghan Jordan'
> Subject: RE: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?
> 
> A change of name is a mildly complicated formality.  I think that our articles
> of organization as currently stated allow us to encompass activities in RI.
> 
> Let's discuss at January Board meeting.
> 
> John
> 
> Sent by Good Messaging (www.good.com)
> 
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
> From:  Yvonne Federowicz [mailto:Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:33 AM Eastern Standard Time
> To: kendra at acf.org; masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
> Cc: 'meghan Jordan'; Mirick, John O.
> Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?
> 
> Hi Kendra, Meghan and members,
> 
> We have brought up our need to change our paperwork to include RI.  It seems
> fairly official but not in writing (yet) -does anyone else have comments on
> this?
> 
> Perhaps we can ask John Mirick if there is any trouble with simply changing
> the name and a few lines in our MA-based charter to make the inclusion, and if
> we can skip doing anything official with RI government?
> 
> 
> Thanks, Yvonne
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/6/10 11:11 AM, "Kendra Gurney" <kendra at acf.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Folks -
> 
> TACF staff are looking to update some of our "standard" publications, like the
> membership brochure, and I was wondering - how "official" is the RI inclusion
> in the MA chapter?  Has there been any change to the chapter's by-laws or name
> to officially include RI within the MA chapter?  I ask because we do have 2
> joint chapters, VT/NH and the Carolinas, and if the MA chapter should be
> listed as MA/RI we would want to make that change in our documents.  I know
> functionally RI is a part of the MA chapter, but wasn't sure if that inclusion
> needs to be mentioned in the chapter name or not.  Any clarification would be
> greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Kendra
> 
> Kendra Gurney
> The American Chestnut Foundation?
> New England Regional Science Coordinator
> USFS Northern Research Station
> 705 Spear Street
> South Burlington, VT 05403
> Tel: 802.951.6771 x1350 Fax: 802.951.6368
> Cell: 802.999.8706
> Kendra at acf.org <mailto:Kendra at acf.org> or kgurney at uvm.edu <kgurney at uvm.edu>
> 
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From rufin at charter.net  Wed Jan  6 18:34:39 2010
From: rufin at charter.net (Rufin Van Bossuyt)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:34:39 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?
References: <FD921688EDE111498F6A8D88A80A0BBC013A7B33AD@email-wor.mirick.int>
	<20014969.253101262814687142.JavaMail.SYSTEM@3bclean>
Message-ID: <000b01ca8f28$d305b1b0$cca77444@userr0addk9epy>

If I recall correctly, we as a chapter have a legal agreement with TACF- 
National setting us up as a chapter. Not sure where this document would be 
at present.
Maybe Susan could shed some light on it.

Rufin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mirick, John O." <jmirick at mirickoconnell.com>
To: "'Yvonne Federowicz'" <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>; <kendra at acf.org>; 
<masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org>
Cc: "'meghan Jordan'" <meghan at acf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?


I pulled our Articles of Incorporation.  Let me give a more specific 
response.


Our official name is "The Massachusetts Chapter of the American Chestnut 
Foundation, Corp."

We can vote to change the name to "The Massachusetts-Rhode Island Chapter of 
the American Chestnut Foundation, Corp." and then file a change of name 
certificate with the Secretary of the Commonwealth (I think that there's a 
$100 filing fee).  To comply with statute and by-laws, for a name change we 
need to give notice to the board that the name change will be on the agenda. 
Adoption of name change requires majority vote.


Our purpose is assist in the work of the American Chestnut Foundation in 
bringing about a revival and a renewal of the American chestnut tree as a 
prominent part of the forests of the United States of America......

There is no geographic restriction in the purpose clause.  So we can work to 
accomplish our purpose in Rhode Island as well as in Massachusetts, without 
any need to revise our Articles of Incorporation.


As currently written, the by-laws limit us to 17 directors, elected for 2 
year terms.  With a formal expansion to include Rhode Island, we might want 
a larger number.  The Board can increase the number of directors (again, 
requires notice and majority vote).

Personally, I'd like to see us move to 3 year terms which helps to insure 
continuity.  With Rhode Island formally included, perhaps we should be 
considering 21 directors, which would mean 7 positions to be filled (or 
continued) each year.


John



JOHN O. MIRICK | Partner
Mirick, O'Connell, DeMallie & Lougee, LLP
100 Front Street | Worcester | MA | 01608-1477
Main:           508.791.8500
Direct Dial:   508.860.1550
Direct Fax:   508.983.6279
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mirick, John O.
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:26 PM
To: 'Yvonne Federowicz'; 'kendra at acf.org'; 
'masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org'
Cc: 'meghan Jordan'
Subject: RE: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?

A change of name is a mildly complicated formality.  I think that our 
articles of organization as currently stated allow us to encompass 
activities in RI.

Let's discuss at January Board meeting.

John

Sent by Good Messaging (www.good.com)


 -----Original Message-----
From: Yvonne Federowicz [mailto:Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:33 AM Eastern Standard Time
To: kendra at acf.org; masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Cc: 'meghan Jordan'; Mirick, John O.
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?

Hi Kendra, Meghan and members,

We have brought up our need to change our paperwork to include RI.  It seems 
fairly official but not in writing (yet) -does anyone else have comments on 
this?

Perhaps we can ask John Mirick if there is any trouble with simply changing 
the name and a few lines in our MA-based charter to make the inclusion, and 
if we can skip doing anything official with RI government?


Thanks, Yvonne



On 1/6/10 11:11 AM, "Kendra Gurney" <kendra at acf.org> wrote:



Hi Folks -

TACF staff are looking to update some of our "standard" publications, like 
the membership brochure, and I was wondering - how "official" is the RI 
inclusion in the MA chapter?  Has there been any change to the chapter's 
by-laws or name to officially include RI within the MA chapter?  I ask 
because we do have 2 joint chapters, VT/NH and the Carolinas, and if the MA 
chapter should be listed as MA/RI we would want to make that change in our 
documents.  I know functionally RI is a part of the MA chapter, but wasn't 
sure if that inclusion needs to be mentioned in the chapter name or not. 
Any clarification would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Kendra

Kendra Gurney
The American Chestnut Foundation?
New England Regional Science Coordinator
USFS Northern Research Station
705 Spear Street
South Burlington, VT 05403
Tel: 802.951.6771 x1350 Fax: 802.951.6368
Cell: 802.999.8706
Kendra at acf.org <mailto:Kendra at acf.org> or kgurney at uvm.edu <kgurney at uvm.edu>




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From n1djb at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  8 10:41:30 2010
From: n1djb at yahoo.com (Jamie Donalds)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 07:41:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] TACF-MA Winter Board Meeting
Message-ID: <845950.93765.qm@web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Greetings Fellow Chestnuteers,

The?Winter Board Meeting 
of the Mass.Chapter of The American Chestnut Foundation will be held 
Sunday,January 17th from?Noon to 4 pm at (note the new start time!)
?National Grid Facility 939 Southbridge St., Worcester, MA 01610 
The site is just off exit 11 on I-290
?
Map - http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Worcester&state=MA&address=939+Southbridge+St&zipcode=01610-2227&country=US&latitude=42.2351&longitude=-71.81707&geocode=ADDRESS
(Go through the gate and park to the right, look for the signs to lobby where you will be ?buzzed? into this secure facility.?Conference room?is on the second floor.)


All are welcome!
?
Note: There will be?NO?Growers Meeting? preceding the Board Meeting 10AM-12:30PM.
The meeting will start at?Noon

?DRAFT AGENDA for?1/17/10 please email me with additional items! at N1DJB at yahoo.com

?
Noon - 4:00 pm??WINTER TACF BOARD MEETING 

?
Welcome and introduction?? - (Jamie Guy)

Introduction of Guests and Members - (Jamie)

Treasurer?s Update - (Michael N.)
???????????????????????? Bugget committee report (Michael N.,Jamie J Meik.)
Board of Directors Issues - 
??????????????????????Update our bylaws at the Secretary of State's office-How & Who- (Jamie,J. Mirick)
????????????
Secretary? s Report (Kathy)
Membership
New Contacts
approval of minutes from?fall,annual ?meeting
Progress on?wood plaques & letter for Jim Garland?and Frank Howard
?
Inoculation report? - (Kendra, Charlotte,John E.)
???????????????????????????????? Orchard to inoculate? in 2010
????????????????????????????????? How do we best use Frank Howard's donation??

New England Regional Science Coordinator report- (Kendra)
??????????????????????Regional meeting: March 20th, Urban Forestry Center in Portsmouth, NH
????????????????????? Umass Seed orchard possibilities??????
??????????????????????Geocaching

RI News: .???-(Yvonne)
???????????????????????
Seed Orchard Development-
??????????????????? Report on Easement Agreements? with landowrners - (John Mirick)
????????????????????Seed Orchard at Moore SP- MOU?-Lois, Dennis, Jamie,J. Mirick
????????????????????North Grafton Land -Peter?and Shirley Williams (Kathy,Rufin)
??????????????????? Future actions with Trusties of Reservations- J.Meik

Support for Stockbridge Orchard - (Jamie ,Rufin)

Spring?Orchard Activities, (Charlotte)
?????????????????? Nanking Lines?? how many will we do?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------?

Please email any other topics for discussion or
suggestions.

*Note?? I still have the projector and screen. If anyone
needs it let me know and I will bring it to the
meeting
?
Board Members-Please let me know if you can not attend this meeting.

Chapter Members-Feel free to join us!
?
thanks
-Jamie Donalds
President
The MA Chapter Of The American Chestnut Foundation 


      
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From BPISTOLE at gdeb.com  Fri Jan  8 12:50:41 2010
From: BPISTOLE at gdeb.com (Brian A Pistolese)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:50:41 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Recent Roundup research
In-Reply-To: <C769387F.1ACF9%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
Message-ID: <OF7DF67381.62F1BA5E-ON852576A3.0060C57D-852576A5.0062063D@gdeb.com>

I'm fairly certain that the use of 'Roundup' has been banned in Australia. 
 
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From Fred at acf.org  Fri Jan  8 13:03:27 2010
From: Fred at acf.org (Fred Hebard)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:03:27 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Recent Roundup research
In-Reply-To: <OF7DF67381.62F1BA5E-ON852576A3.0060C57D-852576A5.0062063D@gdeb.com>
References: <OF7DF67381.62F1BA5E-ON852576A3.0060C57D-852576A5.0062063D@gdeb.com>
Message-ID: <859F067E-6DF2-493B-895F-9E6FA8D76772@acf.org>

This site appears to be selling it at present:

http://www.scottsaustralia.com.au/Roundup

Fred

Frederick V. Hebard, PhD
Staff Pathologist, Meadowview Research Farms
American Chestnut Foundation
14005 Glenbrook Ave.
Meadowview, VA 24361

Email: Fred at acf.org
Web: http://www.acffarms.org
Phone: (276) 944-4631
Fax: (276) 944-0934


On Jan 8, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Brian A Pistolese wrote:

>
> I'm fairly certain that the use of 'Roundup' has been banned in  
> Australia.
> _______________________________________________
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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Fri Jan  8 13:12:23 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:12:23 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Recent Roundup research
In-Reply-To: <859F067E-6DF2-493B-895F-9E6FA8D76772@acf.org>
Message-ID: <C76CDFB7.1AE31%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>

I found blog pages saying that Australia has banned Glyphosphate "near"
water.  Denmark seems to have banned it completely, and there is discussion
that the EU and Argentina might ban it.  It's hard to evaluate the truth of
some of the blog sources I found online though.

The EPA is apparently starting screening of Glyphosphate for endocrine
disruption:

http://www.epa.gov/scipoly/oscpendo/pubs/final_list_frn_041509.pdf
(discussed at: 
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address
=115x193628)


On 1/8/10 1:03 PM, "Fred Hebard" <Fred at acf.org> wrote:

> This site appears to be selling it at present:
> 
> http://www.scottsaustralia.com.au/Roundup
> 
> Fred
> 
> Frederick V. Hebard, PhD
> Staff Pathologist, Meadowview Research Farms
> American Chestnut Foundation
> 14005 Glenbrook Ave.
> Meadowview, VA 24361
> 
> Email: Fred at acf.org
> Web: http://www.acffarms.org
> Phone: (276) 944-4631
> Fax: (276) 944-0934
> 
> 
> On Jan 8, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Brian A Pistolese wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I'm fairly certain that the use of 'Roundup' has been banned in
>> Australia.
>> _______________________________________________
>> MassChestnutOrchards mailing list
>> MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org
>> http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards
> 
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From tsuga35 at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 13:55:44 2010
From: tsuga35 at aol.com (tsuga35 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:55:44 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Recent Roundup research
In-Reply-To: <C76CDFB7.1AE31%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
Message-ID: <8CC5EAB5108A025-93D8-6D1D@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com>


The LD50  is about 27000 compare that to asprin .
Guy 






-----Original Message-----
From: Yvonne Federowicz <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 1:12 pm
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Recent Roundup research


I found blog pages saying that Australia has banned Glyphosphate "near"
ater.  Denmark seems to have banned it completely, and there is discussion
hat the EU and Argentina might ban it.  It's hard to evaluate the truth of
ome of the blog sources I found online though.
The EPA is apparently starting screening of Glyphosphate for endocrine
isruption:
http://www.epa.gov/scipoly/oscpendo/pubs/final_list_frn_041509.pdf
discussed at: 
ttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address
115x193628)

n 1/8/10 1:03 PM, "Fred Hebard" <Fred at acf.org> wrote:
> This site appears to be selling it at present:
 
 http://www.scottsaustralia.com.au/Roundup
 
 Fred
 
 Frederick V. Hebard, PhD
 Staff Pathologist, Meadowview Research Farms
 American Chestnut Foundation
 14005 Glenbrook Ave.
 Meadowview, VA 24361
 
 Email: Fred at acf.org
 Web: http://www.acffarms.org
 Phone: (276) 944-4631
 Fax: (276) 944-0934
 
 
 On Jan 8, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Brian A Pistolese wrote:
 
> 
> I'm fairly certain that the use of 'Roundup' has been banned in
> Australia.
> _______________________________________________
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> MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org
> http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards
 
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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Fri Jan  8 14:29:40 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:29:40 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Recent Roundup research
In-Reply-To: <8CC5EAB5108A025-93D8-6D1D@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C76CF1D4.1AE3B%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>

Endocrine disruption is not generally fatal to the individual exposed, so
the LD50 test is inappropriate. It?s more a problem with reproduction.

This is the study ? it mentions ?cytotoxicity? and ?endocrine disruption?.
While I?m not an endocrinologist or toxologist, I am glad that foreign
countries & the EPA are going to study these chemicals more ? there are a
lot of negative things happening to wildlife (and human) endocrine systems
right now that no one can explain adequately, and relying upon
company-sponsored studies strikes me as highly dubious.

A number of plastic-related compounds took years to be banned for endocrine
disruption but finally were, so at the least, caution is indicated.

------------------

Glyphosate-based herbicides are toxic and endocrine disruptors in human cell
lines 

 C?line Gasniera,  Coralie Dumontb  , Nora Benachoura , Emilie Claira  ,
Marie-Christine Chagnonb  and Gilles-Eric S?ralinia
aUniversity of Caen, Institute of Biology, Lab. Biochemistry EA2608,
Esplanade de la Paix, 14032 Caen cedex, France

bUniversity of Burgundy, Lab. Food Toxicology UMR1129, 1 Esplanade Erasme,
21000 Dijon, France
 

Received 10 April 2009;?
revised 4 June 2009;?
accepted 8 June 2009.?
Available online 17 June 2009.

Abstract
Glyphosate-based herbicides are the most widely used across the world; they
are commercialized in different formulations. Their residues are frequent
pollutants in the environment. In addition, these herbicides are spread on
most eaten transgenic plants, modified to tolerate high levels of these
compounds in their cells. Up to 400?ppm of their residues are accepted in
some feed. We exposed human liver HepG2 cells, a well-known model to study
xenobiotic toxicity, to four different formulations and to glyphosate, which
is usually tested alone in chronic in vivo regulatory studies. We measured
cytotoxicity with three assays (Alamar Blue?, MTT, ToxiLight?), plus
genotoxicity (comet assay), anti-estrogenic (on ER?, ER?) and
anti-androgenic effects (on AR) using gene reporter tests. We also checked
androgen to estrogen conversion by aromatase activity and mRNA. All
parameters were disrupted at sub-agricultural doses with all formulations
within 24?h. These effects were more dependent on the formulation than on
the glyphosate concentration. First, we observed a human cell endocrine
disruption from 0.5?ppm on the androgen receptor in MDA-MB453-kb2 cells for
the most active formulation (R400), then from 2?ppm the transcriptional
activities on both estrogen receptors were also inhibited on HepG2.
Aromatase transcription and activity were disrupted from 10?ppm. Cytotoxic
effects started at 10?ppm with Alamar Blue assay (the most sensitive), and
DNA damages at 5?ppm. A real cell impact of glyphosate-based herbicides
residues in food, feed or in the environment has thus to be considered, and
their classifications as carcinogens/mutagens/reprotoxics is discussed.


On 1/8/10 1:55 PM, "Guy Shepard" <tsuga35 at aol.com> wrote:

> The LD50  is about 27000 compare that to asprin .
> Guy 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yvonne Federowicz <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
> Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 1:12 pm
> Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Recent Roundup research
> 
> I found blog pages saying that Australia has banned Glyphosphate "near"
> water.  Denmark seems to have banned it completely, and there is discussion
> that the EU and Argentina might ban it.  It's hard to evaluate the truth of
> some of the blog sources I found online though.
> 
> The EPA is apparently starting screening of Glyphosphate for endocrine
> disruption:
> 
> http://www.epa.gov/scipoly/oscpendo/pubs/final_list_frn_041509.pdf
> (discussed at: 
> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address
> =115x193628)
> 
> 
> On 1/8/10 1:03 PM, "Fred Hebard" <Fred at acf.org> wrote:
> 
>> > This site appears to be selling it at present:
>> > 
>> > http://www.scottsaustralia.com.au/Roundup
>> > 
>> > Fred
>> > 
>> > Frederick V. Hebard, PhD
>> > Staff Pathologist, Meadowview Research Farms
>> > American Chestnut Foundation
>> > 14005 Glenbrook Ave.
>> > Meadowview, VA 24361
>> > 
>> > Email: Fred at acf.org
>> > Web: http://www.acffarms.org <http://www.acffarms.org/>
>> > Phone: (276) 944-4631
>> > Fax: (276) 944-0934
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Jan 8, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Brian A Pistolese wrote:
>> > 
>>> >> 
>>> >> I'm fairly certain that the use of 'Roundup' has been banned in
>>> >> Australia.
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> MassChestnutOrchards mailing list
>>> >> MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org
>>> >> http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards
>> > 
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > MassChestnutOrchards mailing list
>> > MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org
>> > http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards
> 
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> 
> 
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From schoolmastersm at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  8 19:18:01 2010
From: schoolmastersm at hotmail.com (Brad Smith)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 00:18:01 +0000
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] the Roundup question
In-Reply-To: <C76CF1D4.1AE3B%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
References: <8CC5EAB5108A025-93D8-6D1D@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com>,
	<C76CF1D4.1AE3B%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
Message-ID: <BAY121-W5284D341E6BDE5928FF89CD96F0@phx.gbl>


Hello All,
I have the feeling that discussing views on the dangers or advantages of roundup is like discussing politics or religion.  You are not likely to change opinion of the other side.
People and organizations who are comfortable with its use should continue and our chapter should be sensitive to those who are not and look for alternatives at those sites.

Brad

Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:29:40 -0500
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Recent Roundup research





Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Recent Roundup research


Endocrine disruption is not generally fatal to the individual exposed, so the LD50 test is inappropriate. It?s more a problem with reproduction.  



This is the study ? it mentions ?cytotoxicity? and ?endocrine disruption?.   While I?m not an endocrinologist or toxologist, I am glad that foreign countries & the EPA are going to study these chemicals more ? there are a lot of negative things happening to wildlife (and human) endocrine systems right now that no one can explain adequately, and relying upon company-sponsored studies strikes me as highly dubious.  



A number of plastic-related compounds took years to be banned for endocrine disruption but finally were, so at the least, caution is indicated.



------------------



Glyphosate-based herbicides are toxic and endocrine disruptors in human cell lines 



 C?line Gasniera,  Coralie Dumontb  , Nora Benachoura , Emilie Claira  , Marie-Christine Chagnonb  and Gilles-Eric S?ralinia 

aUniversity of Caen, Institute of Biology, Lab. Biochemistry EA2608, Esplanade de la Paix, 14032 Caen cedex, France



bUniversity of Burgundy, Lab. Food Toxicology UMR1129, 1 Esplanade Erasme, 21000 Dijon, France

 



Received 10 April 2009;  

revised 4 June 2009;  

accepted 8 June 2009.  

Available online 17 June 2009.  



Abstract

Glyphosate-based herbicides are the most widely used across the world; they are commercialized in different formulations. Their residues are frequent pollutants in the environment. In addition, these herbicides are spread on most eaten transgenic plants, modified to tolerate high levels of these compounds in their cells. Up to 400 ppm of their residues are accepted in some feed. We exposed human liver HepG2 cells, a well-known model to study xenobiotic toxicity, to four different formulations and to glyphosate, which is usually tested alone in chronic in vivo regulatory studies. We measured cytotoxicity with three assays (Alamar Blue?, MTT, ToxiLight?), plus genotoxicity (comet assay), anti-estrogenic (on ER?, ER?) and anti-androgenic effects (on AR) using gene reporter tests. We also checked androgen to estrogen conversion by aromatase activity and mRNA. All parameters were disrupted at sub-agricultural doses with all formulations within 24 h. These effects were more dependent on the formulation than on the glyphosate concentration. First, we observed a human cell endocrine disruption from 0.5 ppm on the androgen receptor in MDA-MB453-kb2 cells for the most active formulation (R400), then from 2 ppm the transcriptional activities on both estrogen receptors were also inhibited on HepG2. Aromatase transcription and activity were disrupted from 10 ppm. Cytotoxic effects started at 10 ppm with Alamar Blue assay (the most sensitive), and DNA damages at 5 ppm. A real cell impact of glyphosate-based herbicides residues in food, feed or in the environment has thus to be considered, and their classifications as carcinogens/mutagens/reprotoxics is discussed.





On 1/8/10 1:55 PM, "Guy Shepard" <tsuga35 at aol.com> wrote:



The LD50  is about 27000 compare that to asprin .

Guy 







-----Original Message-----

From: Yvonne Federowicz <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>

To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org

Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 1:12 pm

Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Recent Roundup research



I found blog pages saying that Australia has banned Glyphosphate "near"

water.  Denmark seems to have banned it completely, and there is discussion

that the EU and Argentina might ban it.  It's hard to evaluate the truth of

some of the blog sources I found online though.



The EPA is apparently starting screening of Glyphosphate for endocrine

disruption:



http://www.epa.gov/scipoly/oscpendo/pubs/final_list_frn_041509.pdf

(discussed at: 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address

=115x193628)





On 1/8/10 1:03 PM, "Fred Hebard" <Fred at acf.org> wrote:



> This site appears to be selling it at present:

> 

> http://www.scottsaustralia.com.au/Roundup

> 

> Fred

> 

> Frederick V. Hebard, PhD

> Staff Pathologist, Meadowview Research Farms

> American Chestnut Foundation

> 14005 Glenbrook Ave.

> Meadowview, VA 24361

> 

> Email: Fred at acf.org

> Web: http://www.acffarms.org <http://www.acffarms.org/> 

> Phone: (276) 944-4631

> Fax: (276) 944-0934

> 

> 

> On Jan 8, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Brian A Pistolese wrote:

> 

>> 

>> I'm fairly certain that the use of 'Roundup' has been banned in

>> Australia.

>> _______________________________________________

>> MassChestnutOrchards mailing list

>> MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org

>> http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards

> 

> _______________________________________________

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> MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org

> http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards



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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Fri Jan  8 20:57:24 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Federowicz, Yvonne Marie)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:57:24 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] the Roundup question
References: <8CC5EAB5108A025-93D8-6D1D@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com>,
	<C76CF1D4.1AE3B%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
	<BAY121-W5284D341E6BDE5928FF89CD96F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AEFA42E689674541B6C78EA37938E99D02FAD905@MAIL3.AD.Brown.Edu>


While in the case of religion I agree, when new scientific evidence is published that is potentially relevant to member and environmental health I would at least like people to be aware of it.



-----Original Message-----
From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org on behalf of Brad Smith
Sent: Fri 1/8/2010 7:18 PM
To: tacf mass chapter
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] the Roundup question
 

Hello All,
I have the feeling that discussing views on the dangers or advantages of roundup is like discussing politics or religion.  You are not likely to change opinion of the other side.
People and organizations who are comfortable with its use should continue and our chapter should be sensitive to those who are not and look for alternatives at those sites.

Brad

Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:29:40 -0500
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Recent Roundup research





Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Recent Roundup research


Endocrine disruption is not generally fatal to the individual exposed, so the LD50 test is inappropriate. It's more a problem with reproduction.  



This is the study - it mentions "cytotoxicity" and "endocrine disruption".   While I'm not an endocrinologist or toxologist, I am glad that foreign countries & the EPA are going to study these chemicals more - there are a lot of negative things happening to wildlife (and human) endocrine systems right now that no one can explain adequately, and relying upon company-sponsored studies strikes me as highly dubious.  



A number of plastic-related compounds took years to be banned for endocrine disruption but finally were, so at the least, caution is indicated.



------------------



Glyphosate-based herbicides are toxic and endocrine disruptors in human cell lines 



 C?line Gasniera,  Coralie Dumontb  , Nora Benachoura , Emilie Claira  , Marie-Christine Chagnonb  and Gilles-Eric S?ralinia 

aUniversity of Caen, Institute of Biology, Lab. Biochemistry EA2608, Esplanade de la Paix, 14032 Caen cedex, France



bUniversity of Burgundy, Lab. Food Toxicology UMR1129, 1 Esplanade Erasme, 21000 Dijon, France

 



Received 10 April 2009;  

revised 4 June 2009;  

accepted 8 June 2009.  

Available online 17 June 2009.  



Abstract

Glyphosate-based herbicides are the most widely used across the world; they are commercialized in different formulations. Their residues are frequent pollutants in the environment. In addition, these herbicides are spread on most eaten transgenic plants, modified to tolerate high levels of these compounds in their cells. Up to 400 ppm of their residues are accepted in some feed. We exposed human liver HepG2 cells, a well-known model to study xenobiotic toxicity, to four different formulations and to glyphosate, which is usually tested alone in chronic in vivo regulatory studies. We measured cytotoxicity with three assays (Alamar Blue?, MTT, ToxiLight?), plus genotoxicity (comet assay), anti-estrogenic (on ER?, ER?) and anti-androgenic effects (on AR) using gene reporter tests. We also checked androgen to estrogen conversion by aromatase activity and mRNA. All parameters were disrupted at sub-agricultural doses with all formulations within 24 h. These effects were more dependent on the formulation than on the glyphosate concentration. First, we observed a human cell endocrine disruption from 0.5 ppm on the androgen receptor in MDA-MB453-kb2 cells for the most active formulation (R400), then from 2 ppm the transcriptional activities on both estrogen receptors were also inhibited on HepG2. Aromatase transcription and activity were disrupted from 10 ppm. Cytotoxic effects started at 10 ppm with Alamar Blue assay (the most sensitive), and DNA damages at 5 ppm. A real cell impact of glyphosate-based herbicides residues in food, feed or in the environment has thus to be considered, and their classifications as carcinogens/mutagens/reprotoxics is discussed.





On 1/8/10 1:55 PM, "Guy Shepard" <tsuga35 at aol.com> wrote:



The LD50  is about 27000 compare that to asprin .

Guy 







-----Original Message-----

From: Yvonne Federowicz <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>

To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org

Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 1:12 pm

Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Recent Roundup research



I found blog pages saying that Australia has banned Glyphosphate "near"

water.  Denmark seems to have banned it completely, and there is discussion

that the EU and Argentina might ban it.  It's hard to evaluate the truth of

some of the blog sources I found online though.



The EPA is apparently starting screening of Glyphosphate for endocrine

disruption:



http://www.epa.gov/scipoly/oscpendo/pubs/final_list_frn_041509.pdf

(discussed at: 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address

=115x193628)





On 1/8/10 1:03 PM, "Fred Hebard" <Fred at acf.org> wrote:



> This site appears to be selling it at present:

> 

> http://www.scottsaustralia.com.au/Roundup

> 

> Fred

> 

> Frederick V. Hebard, PhD

> Staff Pathologist, Meadowview Research Farms

> American Chestnut Foundation

> 14005 Glenbrook Ave.

> Meadowview, VA 24361

> 

> Email: Fred at acf.org

> Web: http://www.acffarms.org <http://www.acffarms.org/> 

> Phone: (276) 944-4631

> Fax: (276) 944-0934

> 

> 

> On Jan 8, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Brian A Pistolese wrote:

> 

>> 

>> I'm fairly certain that the use of 'Roundup' has been banned in

>> Australia.

>> _______________________________________________

>> MassChestnutOrchards mailing list

>> MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org

>> http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards

> 

> _______________________________________________

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> MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org

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From mike.meixsell at juno.com  Mon Jan 11 19:22:31 2010
From: mike.meixsell at juno.com (mike.meixsell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:22:31 GMT
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?
Message-ID: <20100111.192231.29959.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Rufin,
It would seem reasonable that there be some contract with National; however, I do not recall that this had ever occurred. In any event, it would have been recorded in the minutes of our Board meetings.
Mike M.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Rufin Van Bossuyt" <rufin at charter.net>
To: <masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org>, "'Yvonne Federowicz'" <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>, <kendra at acf.org>
Cc: 'meghan Jordan' <meghan at acf.org>
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:34:39 -0500

If I recall correctly, we as a chapter have a legal agreement with TACF- 
National setting us up as a chapter. Not sure where this document would be 
at present.
Maybe Susan could shed some light on it.

Rufin
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From: "Mirick, John O." <jmirick at mirickoconnell.com>
To: "'Yvonne Federowicz'" <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>; <kendra at acf.org>; 
<masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org>
Cc: "'meghan Jordan'" <meghan at acf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?


I pulled our Articles of Incorporation.  Let me give a more specific 
response.


Our official name is "The Massachusetts Chapter of the American Chestnut 
Foundation, Corp."

We can vote to change the name to "The Massachusetts-Rhode Island Chapter of 
the American Chestnut Foundation, Corp." and then file a change of name 
certificate with the Secretary of the Commonwealth (I think that there's a 
$100 filing fee).  To comply with statute and by-laws, for a name change we 
need to give notice to the board that the name change will be on the agenda. 
Adoption of name change requires majority vote.


Our purpose is assist in the work of the American Chestnut Foundation in 
bringing about a revival and a renewal of the American chestnut tree as a 
prominent part of the forests of the United States of America......

There is no geographic restriction in the purpose clause.  So we can work to 
accomplish our purpose in Rhode Island as well as in Massachusetts, without 
any need to revise our Articles of Incorporation.


As currently written, the by-laws limit us to 17 directors, elected for 2 
year terms.  With a formal expansion to include Rhode Island, we might want 
a larger number.  The Board can increase the number of directors (again, 
requires notice and majority vote).

Personally, I'd like to see us move to 3 year terms which helps to insure 
continuity.  With Rhode Island formally included, perhaps we should be 
considering 21 directors, which would mean 7 positions to be filled (or 
continued) each year.


John



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-----Original Message-----
From: Mirick, John O.
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:26 PM
To: 'Yvonne Federowicz'; 'kendra at acf.org'; 
'masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org'
Cc: 'meghan Jordan'
Subject: RE: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?

A change of name is a mildly complicated formality.  I think that our 
articles of organization as currently stated allow us to encompass 
activities in RI.

Let's discuss at January Board meeting.

John

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-----Original Message-----
From: Yvonne Federowicz [mailto:Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:33 AM Eastern Standard Time
To: kendra at acf.org; masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Cc: 'meghan Jordan'; Mirick, John O.
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] RI Status in MA Chapter?

Hi Kendra, Meghan and members,

We have brought up our need to change our paperwork to include RI.  It seems 
fairly official but not in writing (yet) -does anyone else have comments on 
this?

Perhaps we can ask John Mirick if there is any trouble with simply changing 
the name and a few lines in our MA-based charter to make the inclusion, and 
if we can skip doing anything official with RI government?


Thanks, Yvonne



On 1/6/10 11:11 AM, "Kendra Gurney" <kendra at acf.org> wrote:



Hi Folks -

TACF staff are looking to update some of our "standard" publications, like 
the membership brochure, and I was wondering - how "official" is the RI 
inclusion in the MA chapter?  Has there been any change to the chapter's 
by-laws or name to officially include RI within the MA chapter?  I ask 
because we do have 2 joint chapters, VT/NH and the Carolinas, and if the MA 
chapter should be listed as MA/RI we would want to make that change in our 
documents.  I know functionally RI is a part of the MA chapter, but wasn't 
sure if that inclusion needs to be mentioned in the chapter name or not. 
Any clarification would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Kendra

Kendra Gurney
The American Chestnut Foundation?
New England Regional Science Coordinator
USFS Northern Research Station
705 Spear Street
South Burlington, VT 05403
Tel: 802.951.6771 x1350 Fax: 802.951.6368
Cell: 802.999.8706
Kendra at acf.org <mailto:Kendra at acf.org> or kgurney at uvm.edu <kgurney at uvm.edu>




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From annemonique at bellsouth.net  Tue Jan 12 15:04:10 2010
From: annemonique at bellsouth.net (Anne Bobigian)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:04:10 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] MassChestnutOrchards Digest, Vol 130,
	Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1263315600.62859.masschestnutorchards@masschestnut.org>
References: <mailman.1.1263315600.62859.masschestnutorchards@masschestnut.org>
Message-ID: <4B4CD5BA.2030109@bellsouth.net>

Just a historical note:

The chapter did have discussions with National about including RI within 
the MA chapter and this was approved at some level  in National, 
probably by Marshal (but not by a vote at the National Board Level).  I 
think this was in 2003-2004 (if you are trying to locate the minutes.).  
The reason it was discussed was to ensure that RI members chapter funds 
came to MA, e.g. the $15 membership share for RI members. 
We never pursued registering as a RI charity (separately) because it 
seemed it would complicate our yearly filing with MA as a MA charity.  
(You'd need to look at the yearly filing -- there's something in there 
that would be affected.)  We didn't see a need to go to the cost of 
creating a registered RI corporate entity.  We felt it was possible to 
solicit funds from members in RI since they were members of the National 
TACF and National had agreed to send us the RI membership share.  (The 
RI members just need to designate any chapter donations to MA on their 
annual membership.)

We have had directors from RI from almost the beginning, since Jim 
Garland was one of the first orchard Managers and became a RI director 
in 2002 (probably) and always included RI trees in our inventory.  I 
don't see a need to expand the number of directors or specify a certain 
number of directors from RI, since voting is "at large" 
(self-replicating board) and we've always had directors from RI (now 
Yvonne as an officer).  In addition, I don't think there have ever 
actually been a contest for being a director (you've always expanded the 
number of Board Members to include appropriate nominations.)

Hope this helps a bit in understanding how this came about -- we had 
people ready and willing in RI, and were always inclusive.  Then we 
wanted to get their share of the membership fee to the chapter to 
sustain our joint efforts and National agreed to create a joint chapter 
so as to allow that flow of funds. 

Anne Myers





From n1djb at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 16:41:11 2010
From: n1djb at yahoo.com (Jamie Donalds)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:41:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Fw: Restoration plan conference call
Message-ID: <351903.8882.qm@web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

MA board members,
???????????????????????????? Attatched?are the minutes of a Restoration?conference call that discuss a proposed 
approch to Chestnut restoration.
I wanted you all to have a chance to?look this over before we discuss it at the board meeting.
See you all on sunday,?
-Jamie



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Sarah Spooner <sarah at acf.org>
To: Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 1:41:54 PM
Subject: Restoration plan conference call


Here are Essie's notes and the Q&A created from the call in December. The Q&A is in a .docx file; if you are running windows XP or earlier you may need an update to open the new file type.

Happy new year, 
?
Sarah S. Spooner
Executive Assistant
The American Chestnut Foundation?
160 Zillicoa St, Suite D
(828) 281-0047
sarah at acf.org
www.acf.org
?
Asheville, NC 28801


      
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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Thu Jan 14 11:19:30 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:19:30 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Chestnut planting tutorial on YouTube (Hill
	Craddock)
Message-ID: <C774AE42.1B00E%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O8IRqOYrP8
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From dandfhoward at rcn.com  Thu Jan 14 14:23:23 2010
From: dandfhoward at rcn.com (Frank Howard)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:23:23 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Chestnut planting tutorial on YouTube
	(Hill Craddock)
In-Reply-To: <C774AE42.1B00E%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
References: <C774AE42.1B00E%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
Message-ID: <DE5CB647-947A-4E4D-91F4-174EA6CC9BC0@rcn.com>

Dear Yvonne, Very clear and instructive. Thank you, Frank
On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Yvonne Federowicz wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O8IRqOYrP8
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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Thu Jan 14 14:46:17 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Federowicz, Yvonne Marie)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:46:17 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Chestnut planting tutorial on
	YouTube(Hill Craddock)
References: <C774AE42.1B00E%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
	<DE5CB647-947A-4E4D-91F4-174EA6CC9BC0@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <AEFA42E689674541B6C78EA37938E99D02FAD91E@MAIL3.AD.Brown.Edu>


Yes - I wonder if some of the videos created in our Chapter would be useful on YouTube?

-----Original Message-----
From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org on behalf of Frank Howard
Sent: Thu 1/14/2010 2:23 PM
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Chestnut planting tutorial on YouTube(Hill Craddock)
 
Dear Yvonne, Very clear and instructive. Thank you, Frank
On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Yvonne Federowicz wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O8IRqOYrP8
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From dandfhoward at rcn.com  Thu Jan 14 15:03:24 2010
From: dandfhoward at rcn.com (Frank Howard)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:03:24 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Chestnut planting tutorial on
	YouTube(Hill Craddock)
In-Reply-To: <AEFA42E689674541B6C78EA37938E99D02FAD91E@MAIL3.AD.Brown.Edu>
References: <C774AE42.1B00E%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
	<DE5CB647-947A-4E4D-91F4-174EA6CC9BC0@rcn.com>
	<AEFA42E689674541B6C78EA37938E99D02FAD91E@MAIL3.AD.Brown.Edu>
Message-ID: <D206EB93-9119-4108-81E0-26E616CE309F@rcn.com>

Dear Yvonne, I have not had any experience with short videos. Perhaps  
others have. Regretfully, Frank
On Jan 14, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Federowicz, Yvonne Marie wrote:

>
> Yes - I wonder if some of the videos created in our Chapter would  
> be useful on YouTube?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org on behalf of  
> Frank Howard
> Sent: Thu 1/14/2010 2:23 PM
> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
> Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Chestnut planting tutorial on  
> YouTube(Hill Craddock)
>
> Dear Yvonne, Very clear and instructive. Thank you, Frank
> On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Yvonne Federowicz wrote:
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O8IRqOYrP8
>> _______________________________________________
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From jamescwoodjr at rcn.com  Thu Jan 14 20:13:45 2010
From: jamescwoodjr at rcn.com (James C. Wood)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:13:45 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Fw: Restoration plan conference call
References: <351903.8882.qm@web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <139ACBC8DB4F4818BE10728781A9FEE9@leorahlane>

Hello Jamie and fellow members of Mass TACF
Comments re BC3F3 distribution
First I believe TACF members should be offered seeds first to plant before State or Federal lands/parks.
Whatever, the grants received from the States/Federal sources they pail before the contributions and hands on efforts of long serving TACF membership.

Second, the recent Bark article asking for an additional $300.00 to receive that for which the membership at large has endeavored to achieve is misplaced fundraising. Asking for more than the cost of shipping and handling starts us on a path which should be avoided. Shall we only provide  to the highest bidder?
Jim Wood 
----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jamie Donalds 
  To: orchard mgrlist 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:41 PM
  Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Fw: Restoration plan conference call


  MA board members,
                               Attatched are the minutes of a Restoration conference call that discuss a proposed 
  approch to Chestnut restoration.
  I wanted you all to have a chance to look this over before we discuss it at the board meeting.
  See you all on sunday, 
  -Jamie



  ----- Forwarded Message ----
  From: Sarah Spooner <sarah at acf.org>
  To: Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com>
  Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 1:41:54 PM
  Subject: Restoration plan conference call


  Here are Essie's notes and the Q&A created from the call in December. The Q&A is in a .docx file; if you are running windows XP or earlier you may need an update to open the new file type.


  Happy new year, 



  Sarah S. Spooner

  Executive Assistant

  The American Chestnut Foundation?

  160 Zillicoa St, Suite D

  Asheville, NC 28801

  (828) 281-0047

  sarah at acf.org

  www.acf.org







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From n1djb at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 15 15:17:02 2010
From: n1djb at yahoo.com (Jamie Donalds)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:17:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Reminder - this Sunday -TACF-MA Winter Board
	Meeting
Message-ID: <767396.146.qm@web111414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hope to see you all there!
Updated agenda is below.

?-Jamie Donalds

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The?Winter Board Meeting 
of the Mass.Chapter of The American Chestnut Foundation 
Sunday,January 17th from?Noonto 4 pm

?AGENDA for?1/17/10
?
Noon- 4:00 pm??WINTER TACF BOARD MEETING 

?Welcome and introduction?? - (Jamie Guy)

Introduction of Guests and Members - (Jamie)
?
Treasurer?s Update - (Michael N.)
?????????????????????? ?Budget committee report (Michael N.,Jamie J Meik.)
Board of Directors Issues - 
??????????????????? ???Update our bylaws at the Secretary of State's office-How & Who- (Jamie,J. Mirick)
?????????????????????? Planting of BC3F3 Meadowview nuts assigned to chapter by members.(Rufin) 
?????????????????????? Restoration Planning ? (Rufin,Jamie)
?????????????????????? ????????????
Secretary? s Report (Kathy)
????????????????????? ?Membership
?????????????????????? New Contacts
?????????????????????? Approval of minutes from?fall,annual ?meeting
?????????????????????? Progress on?wood plaques & letter for Jim Garland?and Frank Howard
?
Inoculation report? - (Kendra, Charlotte,John E.)
????????????????????? Orchard to inoculate? in 2010
??????????????????? ??How do we best use Frank Howard's donation??
?
Break at 2PM
?
New England Regional Science Coordinator report- (Kendra)
??????????????????????Regional meeting: March 20th, Urban Forestry Center in Portsmouth, NH
????????????????????? Umass Seed orchard possibilities??????
??????????????????????Geocaching
?
RI News: .???-(Yvonne)
?
Seed Orchard Development-
??????????????????? Report on Easement Agreements? with landowrners - (John Mirick)
????????????????????Seed Orchard at Moore SP- MOU?-Lois, Dennis, Jamie,J. Mirick
????????????????????North Grafton Land -Peter?and Shirley Williams (Kathy,Rufin)
??????????????????? Future actions with Trusties of Reservations- J.Meik
?
Support for Stockbridge Orchard - (Jamie ,Rufin)
?
Spring?Orchard Activities, (Charlotte)
?????????????????? ?Nanking Lines?? how many will we do?
?
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From kendra at acf.org  Fri Jan 15 16:43:29 2010
From: kendra at acf.org (Kendra Gurney)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:43:29 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Reminder - this Sunday -TACF-MA Winter
	Board	Meeting
In-Reply-To: <767396.146.qm@web111414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <767396.146.qm@web111414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <010501ca962b$c7c27310$57475930$@org>

Hi Jamie ?

 

Weather looks cooperative for this weekend so plan to see you all on Sunday.  Will there be time for me to give a brief update on the database project?  Yvonne has been very involved with it as well and may also want to share her thoughts and impressions.  

 

I?ve also been pooling information about the types of agreements other chapters have used when working with Universities.  I will have a report at the meeting.

 

Thanks!

 

Kendra

 

----

Kendra Gurney

802.999.8706 (cell)

 

From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Donalds
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:17 PM
To: orchard mgrlist; orchard news
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Reminder - this Sunday -TACF-MA Winter Board Meeting

 

Hope to see you all there!

Updated agenda is below.

 

 -Jamie Donalds

 

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Winter Board Meeting 

of the Mass.Chapter of The American Chestnut Foundation 
Sunday,January 17th from Noon to 4 pm 


 AGENDA for 1/17/10 

 
Noon - 4:00 pm  WINTER TACF BOARD MEETING 


 Welcome and introduction   - (Jamie Guy)


Introduction of Guests and Members - (Jamie)

 

Treasurer?s Update - (Michael N.)

                        Budget committee report (Michael N.,Jamie J Meik.)

Board of Directors Issues - 

                       Update our bylaws at the Secretary of State's office-How & Who- (Jamie,J. Mirick)

                       Planting of BC3F3 Meadowview nuts assigned to chapter by members.(Rufin) 

                       Restoration Planning ? (Rufin,Jamie)

                                   
Secretary? s Report (Kathy)
                       Membership
                       New Contacts

                       Approval of minutes from fall,annual  meeting

                       Progress on wood plaques & letter for Jim Garland and Frank Howard

 
Inoculation report  - (Kendra, Charlotte,John E.)

                      Orchard to inoculate  in 2010

                      How do we best use Frank Howard's donation? 

 

Break at 2PM

 

New England Regional Science Coordinator report- (Kendra)

                      Regional meeting: March 20th, Urban Forestry Center in Portsmouth, NH

                      Umass Seed orchard possibilities      

                      Geocaching

 

RI News: .   -(Yvonne)

 

Seed Orchard Development-

                    Report on Easement Agreements  with landowrners - (John Mirick)

                    Seed Orchard at Moore SP- MOU -Lois, Dennis, Jamie,J. Mirick

                    North Grafton Land -Peter and Shirley Williams (Kathy,Rufin)

                    Future actions with Trusties of Reservations- J.Meik

 

Support for Stockbridge Orchard - (Jamie ,Rufin)

 

Spring Orchard Activities, (Charlotte)

                    Nanking Lines ? how many will we do?

 

Other Items - 

 

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From jamescwoodjr at rcn.com  Fri Jan 15 16:58:35 2010
From: jamescwoodjr at rcn.com (James C. Wood)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:58:35 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Reminder - this Sunday -TACF-MA
	WinterBoard	Meeting
References: <767396.146.qm@web111414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<010501ca962b$c7c27310$57475930$@org>
Message-ID: <50508DCB50F841EF95C7EBC0A8B0F58A@leorahlane>

What is the address of the meeting? Is this for board members only.
Jim Wood 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kendra Gurney 
  To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org 
  Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Reminder - this Sunday -TACF-MA WinterBoard Meeting


  Hi Jamie ?

   

  Weather looks cooperative for this weekend so plan to see you all on Sunday.  Will there be time for me to give a brief update on the database project?  Yvonne has been very involved with it as well and may also want to share her thoughts and impressions.  

   

  I?ve also been pooling information about the types of agreements other chapters have used when working with Universities.  I will have a report at the meeting.

   

  Thanks!

   

  Kendra

   

  ----

  Kendra Gurney

  802.999.8706 (cell)

   

  From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Donalds
  Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:17 PM
  To: orchard mgrlist; orchard news
  Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Reminder - this Sunday -TACF-MA Winter Board Meeting

   

  Hope to see you all there!

  Updated agenda is below.

   

   -Jamie Donalds

   

  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  The Winter Board Meeting 

  of the Mass.Chapter of The American Chestnut Foundation 
  Sunday,January 17th from Noon to 4 pm 


   AGENDA for 1/17/10 


  Noon - 4:00 pm  WINTER TACF BOARD MEETING 


   Welcome and introduction   - (Jamie Guy)


  Introduction of Guests and Members - (Jamie)

   

  Treasurer?s Update - (Michael N.)

                          Budget committee report (Michael N.,Jamie J Meik.)

  Board of Directors Issues - 

                         Update our bylaws at the Secretary of State's office-How & Who- (Jamie,J. Mirick)

                         Planting of BC3F3 Meadowview nuts assigned to chapter by members.(Rufin) 

                         Restoration Planning ? (Rufin,Jamie)

                                     
  Secretary? s Report (Kathy)
                         Membership
                         New Contacts

                         Approval of minutes from fall,annual  meeting

                         Progress on wood plaques & letter for Jim Garland and Frank Howard


  Inoculation report  - (Kendra, Charlotte,John E.)

                        Orchard to inoculate  in 2010

                        How do we best use Frank Howard's donation? 

   

  Break at 2PM

   

  New England Regional Science Coordinator report- (Kendra)

                        Regional meeting: March 20th, Urban Forestry Center in Portsmouth, NH

                        Umass Seed orchard possibilities      

                        Geocaching

   

  RI News: .   -(Yvonne)

   

  Seed Orchard Development-

                      Report on Easement Agreements  with landowrners - (John Mirick)

                      Seed Orchard at Moore SP- MOU -Lois, Dennis, Jamie,J. Mirick

                      North Grafton Land -Peter and Shirley Williams (Kathy,Rufin)

                      Future actions with Trusties of Reservations- J.Meik

   

  Support for Stockbridge Orchard - (Jamie ,Rufin)

   

  Spring Orchard Activities, (Charlotte)

                      Nanking Lines ? how many will we do?

   

  Other Items - 

   



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From jamescwoodjr at rcn.com  Fri Jan 15 17:00:58 2010
From: jamescwoodjr at rcn.com (James C. Wood)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:00:58 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] MATACF Draft Minutes Annual Meeting
	11/15/09
References: <C76A5576.1AD68%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
Message-ID: <D8C121D5151A481BA99709A33A228C35@leorahlane>

Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] MATACF Draft Minutes Annual Meeting 11/15/09Yvonne 
What is the address of the meeting and is it for the Board only?
Jim Wood
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Yvonne Federowicz 
  To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] MATACF Draft Minutes Annual Meeting 11/15/09


  I meant that the 17th is the date.


  On 1/6/10 2:22 PM, "Yvonne Federowicz" <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu> wrote:


    Yes, that is the date.

    We might be starting at 12 though instead of 1, I think our agenda is getting larger... We will definitely need coffee.


    On 1/6/10 2:24 PM, "John Emery" <johnviolin7 at aol.com> wrote:


      Is the meeting on the 17th, or the 10th?   I have been assuming it is the 17th.    John Emery

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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Fri Jan 15 17:04:46 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:04:46 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] MATACF Draft Minutes Annual Meeting
 11/15/09
In-Reply-To: <D8C121D5151A481BA99709A33A228C35@leorahlane>
Message-ID: <C77650AE.1B0E4%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>

Hello ? no, the meetings are always public and you are welcome to attend.

Directions can be found on our website, if you follow the link from the
Calendar ? there are street directions and a link to a map:

http://masschestnut.org

Hope to see you Sunday!


On 1/15/10 5:00 PM, "James C. Wood" <jamescwoodjr at rcn.com> wrote:

> Yvonne 
> What is the address of the meeting and is it for the Board only?
> Jim Wood
>>  
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>  
>> From:  Yvonne Federowicz <mailto:Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
>>  
>> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
>>  
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:57  PM
>>  
>> Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards]  MATACF Draft Minutes Annual Meeting
>> 11/15/09
>>  
>> 
>> I meant that the 17th is the date.
>> 
>> 
>> On  1/6/10 2:22 PM, "Yvonne Federowicz" <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>  wrote:
>> 
>>  
>>> Yes, that is the date.
>>> 
>>> We might be starting  at 12 though instead of 1, I think our agenda is
>>> getting larger... We will  definitely need coffee.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 1/6/10 2:24 PM, "John Emery" <johnviolin7 at aol.com>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>>> Is the meeting on the 17th, or  the 10th?   I have been assuming it is the
>>>> 17th.     John Emery
>>>>  
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From kendra at acf.org  Mon Jan 18 13:26:30 2010
From: kendra at acf.org (Kendra Gurney)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:26:30 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Planting Agreements Between TACF Chapters
	and University Partners
Message-ID: <000401ca986b$c210bd40$463237c0$@org>

Hi All -

 

Attached is a PDF of the packet I passed out at Sunday's board meeting,
which highlights some current instances of TACF Chapters working with
University partners to host orchards.  I had only printed off a few copies
of this for the meeting and wanted to circulate it to the group.  

 

Best -

 

Kendra

 

Kendra Gurney
The American Chestnut FoundationR

New England Regional Science Coordinator
USFS Northern Research Station
705 Spear Street
South Burlington, VT 05403
Tel: 802.951.6771 x1350 Fax: 802.951.6368

Cell: 802.999.8706
 <mailto:Kendra at acf.org> Kendra at acf.org or kgurney at uvm.edu

 

 

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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Thu Jan 21 19:23:48 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:23:48 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Charitable deduction for travel?
Message-ID: <C77E5A44.1B2D3%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>

I just read this ? perhaps on our personal taxes, we can deduct the mileage
for trekking out to orchards and mother trees?

http://nonprofitmanagement.suite101.com/article.cfm/volunteer_mileage_tax_de
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From schoolmastersm at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 24 12:10:25 2010
From: schoolmastersm at hotmail.com (Brad Smith)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:10:25 +0000
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Charitable deduction for travel?
In-Reply-To: <C77E5A44.1B2D3%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
References: <C77E5A44.1B2D3%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
Message-ID: <BAY121-W11A2A19ADBFEBB7A7CE212D9600@phx.gbl>


Yvonne,
I've been doing this for a while since we have to itemize because of my wife's business.
I haven't had as many mile recently as a few years back.
Brad

Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:23:48 -0500
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Charitable deduction for travel?





Charitable deduction for travel?


I just read this ? perhaps on our personal taxes, we can deduct the mileage for trekking out to orchards and mother trees?



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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Mon Jan 25 09:38:51 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Federowicz, Yvonne Marie)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:38:51 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
	Permissions (Database Project)
Message-ID: <AEFA42E689674541B6C78EA37938E99D02FAD943@MAIL3.AD.Brown.Edu>


Hello - the  group of TACF national & chapter people working on the database would like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up with in our January meeting.

I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal discussion of this, but they would like feedback so your considered ideas are very welcome.

They would like to know:

(1.)  Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data;

(2.) Does everyone need permission from the group in (1.)  to publish using this data?
      This could include:
       a.) TACF national staff
       b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
       c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
       d.) Anyone else you can think of here?

We could also give certain people or groups "standing permission"; I think that at the least,  we probably would give MA/RI Board members such permission, otherwise Charlotte couldn't even make lists from the data for presentation, without us taking a vote. (we discussed this some)

*************
* Motion: 
* 01/1010
*************

* We strongly feel that it is important for our data (both summaries and raw) to be viewably (read access) open to chapters and TACF members and staff. However people will need permission to use our data to publish.

From jmirick at mirickoconnell.com  Mon Jan 25 10:21:52 2010
From: jmirick at mirickoconnell.com (Mirick, John O.)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:21:52 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter
	DataPermissions (Database Project)
In-Reply-To: <AEFA42E689674541B6C78EA37938E99D02FAD943@MAIL3.AD.Brown.Edu>
References: <AEFA42E689674541B6C78EA37938E99D02FAD943@MAIL3.AD.Brown.Edu>
Message-ID: <33501111.141731264432913719.JavaMail.SYSTEM@3bclean>

My personal view is that our data should be available to anyone who wants it.  

Our Articles of Organization state that our mission is to assist The American Chestnut Foundation in developing a chestnut tree for reintroduction into the hardwood forests of the United States.  (In our case, that's particularly the forests of Massachusetts and Rhode Island.)  If National wants to impose a restriction on the circulation of data, then we probably have to respect that restriction.  

But in the absence of a restriction from National, it seems to me that wide-spread dissemination of data about our efforts (challenges, successes, and failures) can only help others in their own efforts to reintroduce the chestnut. 

John



John O. Mirick |?Partner
Mirick, O'Connell, DeMallie & Lougee, LLP
100 Front Street?|?Worcester?|?MA?| 01608-1477
Main:           508.791.8500
Direct Dial:   508.860.1550 
Direct Fax:   508.983.6279 
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Please visit our website:
www.mirickoconnell.com

 






-----Original Message-----
From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Federowicz, Yvonne Marie
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:39 AM
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data Permissions (Database Project)


Hello - the  group of TACF national & chapter people working on the database would like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up with in our January meeting.

I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal discussion of this, but they would like feedback so your considered ideas are very welcome.

They would like to know:

(1.)  Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data;

(2.) Does everyone need permission from the group in (1.)  to publish using this data?
      This could include:
       a.) TACF national staff
       b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
       c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
       d.) Anyone else you can think of here?

We could also give certain people or groups "standing permission"; I think that at the least,  we probably would give MA/RI Board members such permission, otherwise Charlotte couldn't even make lists from the data for presentation, without us taking a vote. (we discussed this some)

*************
* Motion: 
* 01/1010
*************

* We strongly feel that it is important for our data (both summaries and raw) to be viewably (read access) open to chapters and TACF members and staff. However people will need permission to use our data to publish.
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From rufin at charter.net  Mon Jan 25 10:41:44 2010
From: rufin at charter.net (Rufin Van Bossuyt)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:41:44 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI
	ChapterDataPermissions (Database Project)
References: <AEFA42E689674541B6C78EA37938E99D02FAD943@MAIL3.AD.Brown.Edu>
	<33501111.141731264432913719.JavaMail.SYSTEM@3bclean>
Message-ID: <000601ca9dd4$e611bc30$e8e3b518@userr0addk9epy>

I agree with John.

Rufin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mirick, John O." <jmirick at mirickoconnell.com>
To: <masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org>
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI 
ChapterDataPermissions (Database Project)


My personal view is that our data should be available to anyone who wants 
it.

Our Articles of Organization state that our mission is to assist The 
American Chestnut Foundation in developing a chestnut tree for 
reintroduction into the hardwood forests of the United States.  (In our 
case, that's particularly the forests of Massachusetts and Rhode Island.) 
If National wants to impose a restriction on the circulation of data, then 
we probably have to respect that restriction.

But in the absence of a restriction from National, it seems to me that 
wide-spread dissemination of data about our efforts (challenges, successes, 
and failures) can only help others in their own efforts to reintroduce the 
chestnut.

John



John O. Mirick | Partner
Mirick, O'Connell, DeMallie & Lougee, LLP
100 Front Street | Worcester | MA | 01608-1477
Main:           508.791.8500
Direct Dial:   508.860.1550
Direct Fax:   508.983.6279
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-----Original Message-----
From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org 
[mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of 
Federowicz, Yvonne Marie
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:39 AM
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data 
Permissions (Database Project)


Hello - the  group of TACF national & chapter people working on the database 
would like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up with in our January 
meeting.

I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal discussion of 
this, but they would like feedback so your considered ideas are very 
welcome.

They would like to know:

(1.)  Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data;

(2.) Does everyone need permission from the group in (1.)  to publish using 
this data?
      This could include:
       a.) TACF national staff
       b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
       c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
       d.) Anyone else you can think of here?

We could also give certain people or groups "standing permission"; I think 
that at the least,  we probably would give MA/RI Board members such 
permission, otherwise Charlotte couldn't even make lists from the data for 
presentation, without us taking a vote. (we discussed this some)

*************
* Motion:
* 01/1010
*************

* We strongly feel that it is important for our data (both summaries and 
raw) to be viewably (read access) open to chapters and TACF members and 
staff. However people will need permission to use our data to publish.
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From Roy at Najecki.com  Mon Jan 25 10:52:24 2010
From: Roy at Najecki.com (Roy)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:52:24 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI
	ChapterDataPermissions (Database Project)
References: <AEFA42E689674541B6C78EA37938E99D02FAD943@MAIL3.AD.Brown.Edu>
	<33501111.141731264432913719.JavaMail.SYSTEM@3bclean>
Message-ID: <BA3418AAC2F54371BCFB99BD697E0BAB@home51fd3ddc3c>

I too agree with John.
Roy

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From: "Mirick, John O." <jmirick at mirickoconnell.com>
To: <masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org>
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI 
ChapterDataPermissions (Database Project)


My personal view is that our data should be available to anyone who wants 
it.

Our Articles of Organization state that our mission is to assist The 
American Chestnut Foundation in developing a chestnut tree for 
reintroduction into the hardwood forests of the United States.  (In our 
case, that's particularly the forests of Massachusetts and Rhode Island.) 
If National wants to impose a restriction on the circulation of data, then 
we probably have to respect that restriction.

But in the absence of a restriction from National, it seems to me that 
wide-spread dissemination of data about our efforts (challenges, successes, 
and failures) can only help others in their own efforts to reintroduce the 
chestnut.

John



John O. Mirick | Partner
Mirick, O'Connell, DeMallie & Lougee, LLP
100 Front Street | Worcester | MA | 01608-1477
Main:           508.791.8500
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Direct Fax:   508.983.6279
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-----Original Message-----
From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org 
[mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of 
Federowicz, Yvonne Marie
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:39 AM
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data 
Permissions (Database Project)


Hello - the  group of TACF national & chapter people working on the database 
would like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up with in our January 
meeting.

I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal discussion of 
this, but they would like feedback so your considered ideas are very 
welcome.

They would like to know:

(1.)  Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data;

(2.) Does everyone need permission from the group in (1.)  to publish using 
this data?
      This could include:
       a.) TACF national staff
       b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
       c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
       d.) Anyone else you can think of here?

We could also give certain people or groups "standing permission"; I think 
that at the least,  we probably would give MA/RI Board members such 
permission, otherwise Charlotte couldn't even make lists from the data for 
presentation, without us taking a vote. (we discussed this some)

*************
* Motion:
* 01/1010
*************

* We strongly feel that it is important for our data (both summaries and 
raw) to be viewably (read access) open to chapters and TACF members and 
staff. However people will need permission to use our data to publish.
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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Mon Jan 25 11:09:18 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Federowicz, Yvonne Marie)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:09:18 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI
	ChapterDataPermissions (Database Project)
References: <AEFA42E689674541B6C78EA37938E99D02FAD943@MAIL3.AD.Brown.Edu>
	<33501111.141731264432913719.JavaMail.SYSTEM@3bclean>
Message-ID: <AEFA42E689674541B6C78EA37938E99D02FAD945@MAIL3.AD.Brown.Edu>

Hi John, thanks for your email - 

In our discussion last weekend, we came up with the *Motion* way below, which included people needing permission to publish from our data but also suggested we wanted our data to be readable/accessible by chapters, TACF staff, and members.

**Given our Motion**

  Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data; (the Board? and do we want "standing permission" for any groups? so:

 Does everyone need permission from the group to publish using MA/RI data?
      This could include:
       a.) TACF national staff
       b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
       c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
       d.) Anyone else you can think of here?





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From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org on behalf of Mirick, John O.
Sent: Mon 1/25/2010 10:21 AM
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI ChapterDataPermissions (Database Project)
 
My personal view is that our data should be available to anyone who wants it.  

Our Articles of Organization state that our mission is to assist The American Chestnut Foundation in developing a chestnut tree for reintroduction into the hardwood forests of the United States.  (In our case, that's particularly the forests of Massachusetts and Rhode Island.)  If National wants to impose a restriction on the circulation of data, then we probably have to respect that restriction.  

But in the absence of a restriction from National, it seems to me that wide-spread dissemination of data about our efforts (challenges, successes, and failures) can only help others in their own efforts to reintroduce the chestnut. 

John



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From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Federowicz, Yvonne Marie
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:39 AM
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data Permissions (Database Project)


Hello - the  group of TACF national & chapter people working on the database would like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up with in our January meeting.

I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal discussion of this, but they would like feedback so your considered ideas are very welcome.

They would like to know:

(1.)  Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data;

(2.) Does everyone need permission from the group in (1.)  to publish using this data?
      This could include:
       a.) TACF national staff
       b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
       c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
       d.) Anyone else you can think of here?

We could also give certain people or groups "standing permission"; I think that at the least,  we probably would give MA/RI Board members such permission, otherwise Charlotte couldn't even make lists from the data for presentation, without us taking a vote. (we discussed this some)

*************
* Motion: 
* 01/1010
*************

* We strongly feel that it is important for our data (both summaries and raw) to be viewably (read access) open to chapters and TACF members and staff. However people will need permission to use our data to publish.
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From tsuga35 at aol.com  Mon Jan 25 11:12:49 2010
From: tsuga35 at aol.com (tsuga35 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:12:49 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
 Permissions (Database Project)
In-Reply-To: <AEFA42E689674541B6C78EA37938E99D02FAD943@MAIL3.AD.Brown.Edu>
References: <AEFA42E689674541B6C78EA37938E99D02FAD943@MAIL3.AD.Brown.Edu>
Message-ID: <8CC6BF05F7F2B2F-9C54-2289D@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>







-----Original Message-----
From: Federowicz, Yvonne Marie <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:38 am
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data Permissions (Database Project)



ello - the  group of TACF national & chapter people working on the database 
ould like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up with in our January 
eeting.
I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal discussion of 
his, but they would like feedback so your considered ideas are very welcome.
They would like to know:
(1.)  Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data;
(2.) Does everyone need permission from the group in (1.)  to publish using this 
ata?
     This could include:
      a.) TACF national staff
      b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
      c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
      d.) Anyone else you can think of here?
We could also give certain people or groups "standing permission"; I think that 
t the least,  we probably would give MA/RI Board members such permission, 
therwise Charlotte couldn't even make lists from the data for presentation, 
ithout us taking a vote. (we discussed this some)
*************
 Motion: 
 01/1010
************
* We strongly feel that it is important for our data (both summaries and raw) to 
e viewably (read access) open to chapters and TACF members and staff. However 
eople will need permission to use our data to publish.
______________________________________________
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From tsuga35 at aol.com  Mon Jan 25 11:14:08 2010
From: tsuga35 at aol.com (tsuga35 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:14:08 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
 Permissions (Database Project)
In-Reply-To: <AEFA42E689674541B6C78EA37938E99D02FAD943@MAIL3.AD.Brown.Edu>
References: <AEFA42E689674541B6C78EA37938E99D02FAD943@MAIL3.AD.Brown.Edu>
Message-ID: <8CC6BF08E9A20EF-9C54-22912@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>


I go along with Mike, let anyone use it until national says something, we are helping american forests.
Guy






-----Original Message-----
From: Federowicz, Yvonne Marie <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:38 am
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data Permissions (Database Project)



ello - the  group of TACF national & chapter people working on the database 
ould like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up with in our January 
eeting.
I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal discussion of 
his, but they would like feedback so your considered ideas are very welcome.
They would like to know:
(1.)  Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data;
(2.) Does everyone need permission from the group in (1.)  to publish using this 
ata?
     This could include:
      a.) TACF national staff
      b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
      c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
      d.) Anyone else you can think of here?
We could also give certain people or groups "standing permission"; I think that 
t the least,  we probably would give MA/RI Board members such permission, 
therwise Charlotte couldn't even make lists from the data for presentation, 
ithout us taking a vote. (we discussed this some)
*************
 Motion: 
 01/1010
************
* We strongly feel that it is important for our data (both summaries and raw) to 
e viewably (read access) open to chapters and TACF members and staff. However 
eople will need permission to use our data to publish.
______________________________________________
assChestnutOrchards mailing list
assChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org
ttp://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards

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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Mon Jan 25 11:38:37 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:38:37 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
 Permissions (Database Project)
In-Reply-To: <8CC6BF08E9A20EF-9C54-22912@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C783333D.1B3B1%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>

Are folks saying that they think everyone should have standing permission to
publish using our data?  (That wasn?t exactly what our meeting Motion
implied, from my perspective.)

Thanks. Yvonne


On 1/25/10 11:14 AM, "Guy Shepard" <tsuga35 at aol.com> wrote:

> I go along with Mike, let anyone use it until national says something, we are
> helping american forests.
> Guy
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Federowicz, Yvonne Marie <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
> Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:38 am
> Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
> Permissions (Database Project)
> 
> 
> Hello - the  group of TACF national & chapter people working on the database
> would like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up with in our January
> meeting.
> 
> I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal discussion of
> this, but they would like feedback so your considered ideas are very welcome.
> 
> They would like to know:
> 
> (1.)  Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data;
> 
> (2.) Does everyone need permission from the group in (1.)  to publish using
> this 
> data?
>       This could include:
>        a.) TACF national staff
>        b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
>        c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
>        d.) Anyone else you can think of here?
> 
> We could also give certain people or groups "standing permission"; I think
> that 
> at the least,  we probably would give MA/RI Board members such permission,
> otherwise Charlotte couldn't even make lists from the data for presentation,
> without us taking a vote. (we discussed this some)
> 
> *************
> * Motion: 
> * 01/1010
> *************
> 
> * We strongly feel that it is important for our data (both summaries and raw)
> to 
> be viewably (read access) open to chapters and TACF members and staff. However
> people will need permission to use our data to publish.
> _______________________________________________
> MassChestnutOrchards mailing list
> MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org
> http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards
> 
> 
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From jmirick at mirickoconnell.com  Mon Jan 25 11:57:35 2010
From: jmirick at mirickoconnell.com (Mirick, John O.)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:57:35 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
	Permissions (Database Project)
In-Reply-To: <C783333D.1B3B1%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
References: <8CC6BF08E9A20EF-9C54-22912@webmail-m031.sysops.aol.com>
	<C783333D.1B3B1%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
Message-ID: <31980197.143961264438658068.JavaMail.SYSTEM@3bclean>

At the risk of being too provocative, can anyone articulate a reason to RESTRICT use of our data?  For publication or otherwise?  (I appreciate that I'm approaching this issue as a layperson, rather than as a graduate student or faculty member.)  But if someone in a university program wants to review our data and write a paper, say on the growth rate of BC3 crosses in glacial till in Zone 4 in Massachusetts as compared to sandy soil in Zone 5, or on survival rate of germinated seeds with irrigation systems as compared to occasional watering by hand, or on the incidence of deer browse and the success of counter-measures, isn't it in the interests of re-introducing the chestnuts to have as many such studies as possible out there?

Absent a contrary direction from National, or a really compelling  reason for restriction, I would allow access and use to all, including access and use for publication.

John

From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Yvonne Federowicz
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:39 AM
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data Permissions (Database Project)

Are folks saying that they think everyone should have standing permission to publish using our data?  (That wasn't exactly what our meeting Motion implied, from my perspective.)

Thanks. Yvonne


On 1/25/10 11:14 AM, "Guy Shepard" <tsuga35 at aol.com> wrote:
I go along with Mike, let anyone use it until national says something, we are helping american forests.
Guy



-----Original Message-----
From: Federowicz, Yvonne Marie <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:38 am
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data Permissions (Database Project)


Hello - the  group of TACF national & chapter people working on the database
would like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up with in our January
meeting.

I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal discussion of
this, but they would like feedback so your considered ideas are very welcome.

They would like to know:

(1.)  Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data;

(2.) Does everyone need permission from the group in (1.)  to publish using this
data?
      This could include:
       a.) TACF national staff
       b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
       c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
       d.) Anyone else you can think of here?

We could also give certain people or groups "standing permission"; I think that
at the least,  we probably would give MA/RI Board members such permission,
otherwise Charlotte couldn't even make lists from the data for presentation,
without us taking a vote. (we discussed this some)

*************
* Motion:
* 01/1010
*************

* We strongly feel that it is important for our data (both summaries and raw) to
be viewably (read access) open to chapters and TACF members and staff. However
people will need permission to use our data to publish.
_______________________________________________
MassChestnutOrchards mailing list
MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org
http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards
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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Mon Jan 25 12:02:57 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:02:57 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
 Permissions (Database Project)
In-Reply-To: <31980197.143961264438658068.JavaMail.SYSTEM@3bclean>
Message-ID: <C78338F1.1B3B6%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>

I generally agree, provided that people credit the chapter etc. for the
data... Which should be standard procedure for anyone publishing anyhow.

Perhaps Charlotte has thoughts too? Other folks?



On 1/25/10 11:57 AM, "Mirick, John O." <jmirick at mirickoconnell.com> wrote:

> At the risk of being too provocative, can anyone articulate a reason to
> RESTRICT use of our data?  For publication or otherwise?  (I appreciate that
> I?m approaching this issue as a layperson, rather than as a graduate student
> or faculty member.)  But if someone in a university program wants to review
> our data and write a paper, say on the growth rate of BC3 crosses in glacial
> till in Zone 4 in Massachusetts as compared to sandy soil in Zone 5, or on
> survival rate of germinated seeds with irrigation systems as compared to
> occasional watering by hand, or on the incidence of deer browse and the
> success of counter-measures, isn?t it in the interests of re-introducing the
> chestnuts to have as many such studies as possible out there?
>  
> Absent a contrary direction from National, or a really compelling  reason for
> restriction, I would allow access and use to all, including access and use for
> publication.
>  
> John
>  
> 
> From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org
> [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Yvonne
> Federowicz
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:39 AM
> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
> Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
> Permissions (Database Project)
>  
> Are folks saying that they think everyone should have standing permission to
> publish using our data?  (That wasn?t exactly what our meeting Motion implied,
> from my perspective.)
> 
> Thanks. Yvonne
> 
> 
> On 1/25/10 11:14 AM, "Guy Shepard" <tsuga35 at aol.com> wrote:
> I go along with Mike, let anyone use it until national says something, we are
> helping american forests.
> Guy
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Federowicz, Yvonne Marie <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
> Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:38 am
> Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
> Permissions (Database Project)
> 
> 
> Hello - the  group of TACF national & chapter people working on the database
> would like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up with in our January
> meeting.
> 
> I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal discussion of
> this, but they would like feedback so your considered ideas are very welcome.
> 
> They would like to know:
> 
> (1.)  Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data;
> 
> (2.) Does everyone need permission from the group in (1.)  to publish using
> this 
> data?
>       This could include:
>        a.) TACF national staff
>        b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
>        c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
>        d.) Anyone else you can think of here?
> 
> We could also give certain people or groups "standing permission"; I think
> that 
> at the least,  we probably would give MA/RI Board members such permission,
> otherwise Charlotte couldn't even make lists from the data for presentation,
> without us taking a vote. (we discussed this some)
> 
> *************
> * Motion: 
> * 01/1010
> *************
> 
> * We strongly feel that it is important for our data (both summaries and raw)
> to 
> be viewably (read access) open to chapters and TACF members and staff. However
> people will need permission to use our data to publish.
> _______________________________________________
> MassChestnutOrchards mailing list
> MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org
> http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards
> 
> 
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From j.johnmeiklejohn at comcast.net  Mon Jan 25 12:56:57 2010
From: j.johnmeiklejohn at comcast.net (j. meiklejohn)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:56:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
 Permissions (Database Project)
In-Reply-To: <C78338F1.1B3B6%Yvonne_Federowicz@brown.edu>
Message-ID: <1372903654.3692131264442217650.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>



Since I haven't as yet heard a compelling argument for restriction of our MA/RI TACF data, and since National has not laid out any restrictive guidelines, I concur with John Mirick's line of reasoning. 



However, I would like to hear more from Charlotte and Kendra on this issue before taking a Board vote 



John Meiklejohn 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yvonne Federowicz" <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu> 
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:02:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data Permissions (Database Project) 

I generally agree, provided that people credit the chapter etc. for the data... Which should be standard procedure for anyone publishing anyhow. 

Perhaps Charlotte has thoughts too? Other folks? 



On 1/25/10 11:57 AM, "Mirick, John O." < jmirick at mirickoconnell.com > wrote: 



At the risk of being too provocative, can anyone articulate a reason to RESTRICT use of our data? ?For publication or otherwise? ?(I appreciate that I?m approaching this issue as a layperson, rather than as a graduate student or faculty member.) ?But if someone in a university program wants to review our data and write a paper, say on the growth rate of BC3 crosses in glacial till in Zone 4 in Massachusetts as compared to sandy soil in Zone 5, or on survival rate of germinated seeds with irrigation systems as compared to occasional watering by hand, or on the incidence of deer browse and the success of counter-measures, isn?t it in the interests of re-introducing the chestnuts to have as many such studies as possible out there? ?? 
? 
Absent a contrary direction from National, or a really compelling ?reason for restriction, I would allow access and use to all, including access and use for publication. 
? 
John 
? 

From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org [ mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org ] On Behalf Of Yvonne Federowicz 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:39 AM 
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org 
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data Permissions (Database Project) 

Are folks saying that they think everyone should have standing permission to publish using our data? ?(That wasn?t exactly what our meeting Motion implied, from my perspective.) 

Thanks. Yvonne 


On 1/25/10 11:14 AM, "Guy Shepard" < tsuga35 at aol.com > wrote: 
I go along with Mike, let anyone use it until national says something, we are helping american forests. 
Guy 



-----Original Message----- 
From: Federowicz, Yvonne Marie < Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu > 
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org 
Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:38 am 
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data Permissions (Database Project) 


Hello - the ?group of TACF national & chapter people working on the database 
would like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up with in our January 
meeting. 

I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal discussion of 
this, but they would like feedback so your considered ideas are very welcome. 

They would like to know: 

(1.) ?Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data; 

(2.) Does everyone need permission from the group in (1.) ?to publish using this 
data? 
??????This could include: 
???????a.) TACF national staff 
???????b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members 
???????c.) Outside (academic/research) persons 
???????d.) Anyone else you can think of here? 

We could also give certain people or groups "standing permission"; I think that 
at the least, ?we probably would give MA/RI Board members such permission, 
otherwise Charlotte couldn't even make lists from the data for presentation, 
without us taking a vote. (we discussed this some) 

************* 
* Motion: 
* 01/1010 
************* 

* We strongly feel that it is important for our data (both summaries and raw) to 
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people will need permission to use our data to publish. 
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From sff3 at psu.edu  Mon Jan 25 15:54:21 2010
From: sff3 at psu.edu (Sara Fitzsimmons)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:54:21 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
 Permissions (Database Project)
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Hi John,

I just wanted to comment on that "National has 
not laid out any restrictive guidelines".

The guidelines for National data have not yet 
been fully compiled.  The discussion is 
continuing.  A major point, however, is that 
whatever National says should not dictate, 
necessarily, what the Chapters do.  In our 
database discussions, it was made very clear that 
Chapter should have ultimate ownership of their own data.

That said, it may be of use to think about any 
broader stipulations that may be outlined in 
either 1) the Chapter's original agreement w/ 
TACF and/or 2) the Science Agreement w/ TACF.

I have not legal background, nor do I claim to 
know what any of the possible implications would be, either way.

I just hope it would provide further food for thought.

Sara


At 12:56 PM 1/25/2010, j. meiklejohn wrote:

>Since I haven't as yet heard a compelling 
>argument for restriction of our MA/RI TACF data, 
>and since National has not laid out any 
>restrictive guidelines, I concur with John Mirick's line of reasoning.
>
>
>
>However, I would like to hear more from 
>Charlotte and Kendra on this issue before taking a Board vote
>
>
>
>John Meiklejohn
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Yvonne Federowicz" <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
>To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
>Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:02:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback 
>needed: MA/RI Chapter Data Permissions (Database Project)
>
>I generally agree, provided that people credit 
>the chapter etc. for the data... Which should be 
>standard procedure for anyone publishing anyhow.
>
>Perhaps Charlotte has thoughts too? Other folks?
>
>
>
>On 1/25/10 11:57 AM, "Mirick, John O." 
><<http://sz0149.wc.mail.comcast.net/zimbra/public/jmirick at mirickoconnell.com>jmirick at mirickoconnell.com> 
>wrote:
>
>At the risk of being too provocative, can anyone 
>articulate a reason to RESTRICT use of our 
>data?  For publication or otherwise?  (I 
>appreciate that I???m approaching this issue as 
>a layperson, rather than as a graduate student 
>or faculty member.)  But if someone in a 
>university program wants to review our data and 
>write a paper, say on the growth rate of BC3 
>crosses in glacial till in Zone 4 in 
>Massachusetts as compared to sandy soil in Zone 
>5, or on survival rate of germinated seeds with 
>irrigation systems as compared to occasional 
>watering by hand, or on the incidence of deer 
>browse and the success of counter-measures, 
>isn???t it in the interests of re-introducing 
>the chestnuts to have as many such studies as possible out there?
>
>Absent a contrary direction from National, or a 
>really compelling  reason for restriction, I 
>would allow access and use to all, including access and use for publication.
>
>John
>
>
>From: 
><http://sz0149.wc.mail.comcast.net/zimbra/public/masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org>masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org 
>[mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] 
>On Behalf Of Yvonne Federowicz
>Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:39 AM
>To: 
><http://sz0149.wc.mail.comcast.net/zimbra/public/masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org>masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
>Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback 
>needed: MA/RI Chapter Data Permissions (Database Project)
>
>Are folks saying that they think everyone should 
>have standing permission to publish using our 
>data?  (That wasn???t exactly what our meeting 
>Motion implied, from my perspective.)
>
>Thanks. Yvonne
>
>
>On 1/25/10 11:14 AM, "Guy Shepard" 
><<http://sz0149.wc.mail.comcast.net/zimbra/public/tsuga35 at aol.com>tsuga35 at aol.com> 
>wrote:
>I go along with Mike, let anyone use it until 
>national says something, we are helping american forests.
>Guy
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Federowicz, Yvonne Marie 
><<http://sz0149.wc.mail.comcast.net/zimbra/public/Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
>To: 
><http://sz0149.wc.mail.comcast.net/zimbra/public/masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org>masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
>Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:38 am
>Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: 
>MA/RI Chapter Data Permissions (Database Project)
>
>
>Hello - the  group of TACF national & chapter people working on the database
>would like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up with in our January
>meeting.
>
>I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal discussion of
>this, but they would like feedback so your considered ideas are very welcome.
>
>They would like to know:
>
>(1.)  Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data;
>
>(2.) Does everyone need permission from the 
>group in (1.)  to publish using this
>data?
>       This could include:
>        a.) TACF national staff
>        b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
>        c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
>        d.) Anyone else you can think of here?
>
>We could also give certain people or groups 
>"standing permission"; I think that
>at the least,  we probably would give MA/RI Board members such permission,
>otherwise Charlotte couldn't even make lists from the data for presentation,
>without us taking a vote. (we discussed this some)
>
>*************
>* Motion:
>* 01/1010
>*************
>
>* We strongly feel that it is important for our 
>data (both summaries and raw) to
>be viewably (read access) open to chapters and 
>TACF members and staff. However
>people will need permission to use our data to publish.
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From Fred at acf.org  Mon Jan 25 21:17:33 2010
From: Fred at acf.org (Fred Hebard)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:17:33 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI
	ChapterDataPermissions (Database Project)
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I don't see where there is any reason for the national TACF to deny  
chapters a right to publish their data.  I haven't looked at all the  
covenants between chapter and national, but the only one that comes  
to mind is to credit national for supplying pollen or nuts that gave  
rise to trees from which the data were gathered that form the basis  
of a publication.

Fred

Frederick V. Hebard, PhD
Staff Pathologist, Meadowview Research Farms
American Chestnut Foundation
14005 Glenbrook Ave.
Meadowview, VA 24361

Email: Fred at acf.org
Web: http://www.acffarms.org
Phone: (276) 944-4631
Fax: (276) 944-0934


On Jan 25, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Federowicz, Yvonne Marie wrote:

> Hi John, thanks for your email -
>
> In our discussion last weekend, we came up with the *Motion* way  
> below, which included people needing permission to publish from our  
> data but also suggested we wanted our data to be readable/ 
> accessible by chapters, TACF staff, and members.
>
> **Given our Motion**
>
>   Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data; (the  
> Board? and do we want "standing permission" for any groups? so:
>
>  Does everyone need permission from the group to publish using MA/ 
> RI data?
>       This could include:
>        a.) TACF national staff
>        b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
>        c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
>        d.) Anyone else you can think of here?
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org on behalf of  
> Mirick, John O.
> Sent: Mon 1/25/2010 10:21 AM
> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
> Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI  
> ChapterDataPermissions (Database Project)
>
> My personal view is that our data should be available to anyone who  
> wants it.
>
> Our Articles of Organization state that our mission is to assist  
> The American Chestnut Foundation in developing a chestnut tree for  
> reintroduction into the hardwood forests of the United States.  (In  
> our case, that's particularly the forests of Massachusetts and  
> Rhode Island.)  If National wants to impose a restriction on the  
> circulation of data, then we probably have to respect that  
> restriction.
>
> But in the absence of a restriction from National, it seems to me  
> that wide-spread dissemination of data about our efforts  
> (challenges, successes, and failures) can only help others in their  
> own efforts to reintroduce the chestnut.
>
> John
>
>
>
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> 100 Front Street | Worcester | MA | 01608-1477
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>
> Please visit our website:
> www.mirickoconnell.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org  
> [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of  
> Federowicz, Yvonne Marie
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:39 AM
> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
> Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data  
> Permissions (Database Project)
>
>
> Hello - the  group of TACF national & chapter people working on the  
> database would like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up  
> with in our January meeting.
>
> I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal  
> discussion of this, but they would like feedback so your considered  
> ideas are very welcome.
>
> They would like to know:
>
> (1.)  Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data;
>
> (2.) Does everyone need permission from the group in (1.)  to  
> publish using this data?
>       This could include:
>        a.) TACF national staff
>        b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
>        c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
>        d.) Anyone else you can think of here?
>
> We could also give certain people or groups "standing permission";  
> I think that at the least,  we probably would give MA/RI Board  
> members such permission, otherwise Charlotte couldn't even make  
> lists from the data for presentation, without us taking a vote. (we  
> discussed this some)
>
> *************
> * Motion:
> * 01/1010
> *************
>
> * We strongly feel that it is important for our data (both  
> summaries and raw) to be viewably (read access) open to chapters  
> and TACF members and staff. However people will need permission to  
> use our data to publish.
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From Fred at acf.org  Mon Jan 25 21:34:01 2010
From: Fred at acf.org (Fred Hebard)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:34:01 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
	Permissions (Database Project)
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There are two reasons in general not to make data public.

The first is to avoid being scooped; if you release data, somebody  
else can summarize them and write up a paper, which may well prevent  
you from publishing a paper on those data.  Here, once you have  
published a paper, this reason disappears.

The second reason is to prevent unscrupulous or naive persons from  
twisting your data to say things you don't think the data say.  An  
indirect example of this was the recent hack/theft of emails from  
East Anglia University's Climate Research Center.  Some of those  
emails were reinterpreted by some folks to mean different things than  
what was conveyed in the email, by selective quoting, out of context,  
etc.  I am quite certain that some aspects of the Mass Chapter data  
could be used to claim that the breeding program is headed in the  
wrong direction.  I have already encountered this with two people.

Fred

Frederick V. Hebard, PhD
Staff Pathologist, Meadowview Research Farms
American Chestnut Foundation
14005 Glenbrook Ave.
Meadowview, VA 24361

Email: Fred at acf.org
Web: http://www.acffarms.org
Phone: (276) 944-4631
Fax: (276) 944-0934


On Jan 25, 2010, at 12:56 PM, j. meiklejohn wrote:

> Since I haven't as yet heard a compelling argument for restriction  
> of our MA/RI TACF data, and since National has not laid out any  
> restrictive guidelines, I concur with John Mirick's line of reasoning.
>
>
> However, I would like to hear more from Charlotte and Kendra on  
> this issue before taking a Board vote
>
>
> John Meiklejohn
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yvonne Federowicz" <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:02:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada  
> Eastern
> Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter  
> Data Permissions (Database Project)
>
> I generally agree, provided that people credit the chapter etc. for  
> the data... Which should be standard procedure for anyone  
> publishing anyhow.
>
> Perhaps Charlotte has thoughts too? Other folks?
>
>
>
> On 1/25/10 11:57 AM, "Mirick, John O." <jmirick at mirickoconnell.com>  
> wrote:
>
>
>
> At the risk of being too provocative, can anyone articulate a  
> reason to RESTRICT use of our data?  For publication or otherwise?   
> (I appreciate that I?m approaching this issue as a layperson,  
> rather than as a graduate student or faculty member.)  But if  
> someone in a university program wants to review our data and write  
> a paper, say on the growth rate of BC3 crosses in glacial till in  
> Zone 4 in Massachusetts as compared to sandy soil in Zone 5, or on  
> survival rate of germinated seeds with irrigation systems as  
> compared to occasional watering by hand, or on the incidence of  
> deer browse and the success of counter-measures, isn?t it in the  
> interests of re-introducing the chestnuts to have as many such  
> studies as possible out there?
>
> Absent a contrary direction from National, or a really compelling   
> reason for restriction, I would allow access and use to all,  
> including access and use for publication.
>
> John
>
>
> From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org  
> [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of  
> Yvonne Federowicz
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:39 AM
> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
> Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter  
> Data Permissions (Database Project)
>
> Are folks saying that they think everyone should have standing  
> permission to publish using our data?  (That wasn?t exactly what  
> our meeting Motion implied, from my perspective.)
>
> Thanks. Yvonne
>
>
> On 1/25/10 11:14 AM, "Guy Shepard" <tsuga35 at aol.com> wrote:
> I go along with Mike, let anyone use it until national says  
> something, we are helping american forests.
> Guy
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Federowicz, Yvonne Marie <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
> Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:38 am
> Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data  
> Permissions (Database Project)
>
>
> Hello - the  group of TACF national & chapter people working on the  
> database
> would like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up with in our  
> January
> meeting.
>
> I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal  
> discussion of
> this, but they would like feedback so your considered ideas are  
> very welcome.
>
> They would like to know:
>
> (1.)  Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data;
>
> (2.) Does everyone need permission from the group in (1.)  to  
> publish using this
> data?
>       This could include:
>        a.) TACF national staff
>        b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
>        c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
>        d.) Anyone else you can think of here?
>
> We could also give certain people or groups "standing permission";  
> I think that
> at the least,  we probably would give MA/RI Board members such  
> permission,
> otherwise Charlotte couldn't even make lists from the data for  
> presentation,
> without us taking a vote. (we discussed this some)
>
> *************
> * Motion:
> * 01/1010
> *************
>
> * We strongly feel that it is important for our data (both  
> summaries and raw) to
> be viewably (read access) open to chapters and TACF members and  
> staff. However
> people will need permission to use our data to publish.
> _______________________________________________
> MassChestnutOrchards mailing list
> MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org
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From kendra at acf.org  Tue Jan 26 09:49:37 2010
From: kendra at acf.org (Kendra Gurney)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:49:37 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter
	Data	Permissions (Database Project)
In-Reply-To: <31980197.143961264438658068.JavaMail.SYSTEM@3bclean>
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Hi John - 

 

The biggest reason I could really see for restricting open-access to data is
in the instance of someone trying to discredit our program or work in some
way.  I would certainly hope this would not be a common occurrence, however
we do occasionally encounter people that find fault with one aspect of our
work or another.  For example, what about the possibility of someone
concerned about the use of Round-Up?  With open-access they could easily
document how much we use in our orchards, and use those data to paint us in
a bad light.  Or what about someone looking at our ratings data to show that
blight-resistance is not guaranteed, regardless of whether or not they
understand our breeding program?  These may be extreme, and hopefully
paranoid, possibilities, but I think it is worth considering that not
everyone wishing to access and export data will have TACF's, and our
chapters', best interest at heart.  It is easy enough to manipulate data,
usually by omitting pertinent details, in order to cast research in a
negative light. 

 

I think it is easy for us to assume that only good could come from open
access - we have a really great mission - but it would be a shame if that
assumption came back to bite us.  The Terms of Use agreement for the
database would certainly ask that any use of the system be in-line with
TACF's mission, but not everyone out there is as honest as we might hope.
I'm very proud of all of our chapters and would hate to see any negative
consequences come from this project.  

 

Sorry to be so pessimistic, but it is worth considering the possible
implications of open-access - both positive and negative.  I think it will
be up to each chapter to decide if the positives outweigh the negatives for
their data.

 

Best -

 

Kendra

 

----

Kendra Gurney

802.999.8706 (cell)

 

From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org
[mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Mirick,
John O.
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:58 AM
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
Permissions (Database Project)

 

At the risk of being too provocative, can anyone articulate a reason to
RESTRICT use of our data?  For publication or otherwise?  (I appreciate that
I'm approaching this issue as a layperson, rather than as a graduate student
or faculty member.)  But if someone in a university program wants to review
our data and write a paper, say on the growth rate of BC3 crosses in glacial
till in Zone 4 in Massachusetts as compared to sandy soil in Zone 5, or on
survival rate of germinated seeds with irrigation systems as compared to
occasional watering by hand, or on the incidence of deer browse and the
success of counter-measures, isn't it in the interests of re-introducing the
chestnuts to have as many such studies as possible out there?   

 

Absent a contrary direction from National, or a really compelling  reason
for restriction, I would allow access and use to all, including access and
use for publication.

 

John

 

From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org
[mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Yvonne
Federowicz
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:39 AM
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
Permissions (Database Project)

 

Are folks saying that they think everyone should have standing permission to
publish using our data?  (That wasn't exactly what our meeting Motion
implied, from my perspective.)

Thanks. Yvonne


On 1/25/10 11:14 AM, "Guy Shepard" <tsuga35 at aol.com> wrote:

I go along with Mike, let anyone use it until national says something, we
are helping american forests.
Guy



-----Original Message-----
From: Federowicz, Yvonne Marie <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:38 am
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
Permissions (Database Project)


Hello - the  group of TACF national & chapter people working on the database

would like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up with in our January 
meeting.

I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal discussion of 
this, but they would like feedback so your considered ideas are very
welcome.

They would like to know:

(1.)  Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data;

(2.) Does everyone need permission from the group in (1.)  to publish using
this 
data?
      This could include:
       a.) TACF national staff
       b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
       c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
       d.) Anyone else you can think of here?

We could also give certain people or groups "standing permission"; I think
that 
at the least,  we probably would give MA/RI Board members such permission, 
otherwise Charlotte couldn't even make lists from the data for presentation,

without us taking a vote. (we discussed this some)

*************
* Motion: 
* 01/1010
*************

* We strongly feel that it is important for our data (both summaries and
raw) to 
be viewably (read access) open to chapters and TACF members and staff.
However 
people will need permission to use our data to publish.
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From cbzampini at aol.com  Tue Jan 26 10:30:45 2010
From: cbzampini at aol.com (cbzampini at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:30:45 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
 Permissions (Database Project)
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I believe like that our data should be available to anyone who wants 
it. We are a charitable research organization supported in large part 
by individuals and the general public through the goverment.The 
suggestion of possibly granting permission is in my opinion not 
something that would be used to restrict access but to be informed of 
when someone intended to use the data and to hopefully have an 
opportunity to read and comment on any publication.Scientific 
manuscripts have to go through a review process. Reviewers generally 
want to know that data was used with the permission of the person who 
generated it.
The question about potential missuse of our data is relevant but not I 
believe a  sufficient reason to restrict data. The mjor credibility 
problems that climate researchers are now dealing with are due in large 
part to their emails exposing a collective effort to restrict access to 
data and this being interpreted as a cover up. Obviously as they also 
complained it is time consuming and frustrating to have to have to deal 
with people who might deliberately try to manipulate the data to 
support an agenda and to have to take the time to refute them. This is 
however the scientific process, and it usually works.

-----Original Message-----
From: j. meiklejohn <j.johnmeiklejohn at comcast.net>
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 12:56 pm
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data 
Permissions (Database Project)

Since I haven't as yet heard a compelling argument for restriction of 
our MA/RI TACF data, and since National has not laid out any 
restrictive guidelines, I concur with John Mirick's line of reasoning.
?
However, I would like to hear more from Charlotte and Kendra on this 
issue before taking a Board vote
?
John Meiklejohn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Yvonne Federowicz" &lt;Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu&gt;
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:02:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data 
Permissions (Database Project)

I generally agree, provided that people credit the chapter etc. for the 
data... Which should be standard procedure for anyone publishing anyhow.

Perhaps Charlotte has thoughts too? Other folks?



On 1/25/10 11:57 AM, "Mirick, John O." 
&lt;jmirick at mirickoconnell.com&gt; wrote:

At the risk of being too provocative, can anyone articulate a reason to 
RESTRICT use of our data? ?For publication or otherwise? ?(I appreciate 
that I?m approaching this issue as a layperson, rather than as a 
graduate student or faculty member.) ?But if someone in a university 
program wants to review our data and write a paper, say on the growth 
rate of BC3 crosses in glacial till in Zone 4 in Massachusetts as 
compared to sandy soil in Zone 5, or on survival rate of germinated 
seeds with irrigation systems as compared to occasional watering by 
hand, or on the incidence of deer browse and the success of 
counter-measures, isn?t it in the interests of re-introducing the 
chestnuts to have as many such studies as possible out there? ??
?
Absent a contrary direction from National, or a really compelling 
?reason for restriction, I would allow access and use to all, including 
access and use for publication.
?
John
?

 From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org 
[mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of 
Yvonne Federowicz
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:39 AM
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data 
Permissions (Database Project)

Are folks saying that they think everyone should have standing 
permission to publish using our data? ?(That wasn?t exactly what our 
meeting Motion implied, from my perspective.)

Thanks. Yvonne


On 1/25/10 11:14 AM, "Guy Shepard" &lt;tsuga35 at aol.com&gt; wrote:
I go along with Mike, let anyone use it until national says something, 
we are helping american forests.
Guy



-----Original Message-----
From: Federowicz, Yvonne Marie &lt;Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu&gt;
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:38 am
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data 
Permissions (Database Project)


Hello - the ?group of TACF national & chapter people working on the 
database
would like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up with in our 
January
meeting.

I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal 
discussion of
this, but they would like feedback so your considered ideas are very 
welcome.

They would like to know:

(1.) ?Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data;

(2.) Does everyone need permission from the group in (1.) ?to publish 
using this
data?
??????This could include:
???????a.) TACF national staff
???????b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
???????c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
???????d.) Anyone else you can think of here?

We could also give certain people or groups "standing permission"; I 
think that
at the least, ?we probably would give MA/RI Board members such 
permission,
otherwise Charlotte couldn't even make lists from the data for 
presentation,
without us taking a vote. (we discussed this some)

*************
* Motion:
* 01/1010
*************

* We strongly feel that it is important for our data (both summaries 
and raw) to
be viewably (read access) open to chapters and TACF members and staff. 
However
people will need permission to use our data to publish.
_______________________________________________
MassChestnutOrchards mailing list
MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org
http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards

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From cbzampini at aol.com  Tue Jan 26 10:43:36 2010
From: cbzampini at aol.com (cbzampini at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:43:36 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
 Permissions (Database Project)
In-Reply-To: <8CC6CB3A9E83CD8-5D3C-18CFE@webmail-m049.sysops.aol.com>
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HI All.

    Since I hit send by accident too soon I would like to finish up by 
saying that I believe we will maintain credibility for our scientific 
methods if they are clear and open to the public. Open access has its 
potential pitfalls but they are ones inherent in any public endeavor. 
Restricting access to information implies lack of confidence in our 
methology. Lastly the possibility of being scooped on publications is a 
good incentive to publish information in a timely fashion (to make sure 
that doesnt happen). Again this is a part of our current scientific 
process.

Charlotte Zampini


-----Original Message-----
From: cbzampini at aol.com
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:30 am
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data 
Permissions (Database Project)

I believe that our data should be available to anyone who wants
to use it. We are a charitable research organization supported in large 
part
by individuals and the general public through the goverment.The
suggestion of possibly granting permission is in my opinion not
something that would be used to restrict access but to be informed of
when someone intended to use the data and to hopefully have an
opportunity to read and comment on any publication.Scientific
manuscripts have to go through a review process. Reviewers generally
want to know that data was used with the permission of the person who
generated it.
The question about potential missuse of our data is relevant but not I
believe a  sufficient reason to restrict data. The major credibility
problems that climate researchers are now dealing with are due in large
part to their emails exposing a collective effort to restrict access to
data and this being interpreted as a cover up. Obviously as they also
complained it is time consuming and frustrating to have to have to deal
with people who might deliberately try to manipulate the data to
support an agenda and to have to take the time to refute them. This is
however the scientific process, and it usually works.

-----Original Message-----
From: j. meiklejohn <j.johnmeiklejohn at comcast.net>
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 12:56 pm
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
Permissions (Database Project)

Since I haven't as yet heard a compelling argument for restriction of
our MA/RI TACF data, and since National has not laid out any
restrictive guidelines, I concur with John Mirick's line of reasoning.
?
However, I would like to hear more from Charlotte and Kendra on this
issue before taking a Board vote
?
John Meiklejohn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Yvonne Federowicz" &lt;Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu&gt;
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:02:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
Permissions (Database Project)

I generally agree, provided that people credit the chapter etc. for the
data... Which should be standard procedure for anyone publishing anyhow.

Perhaps Charlotte has thoughts too? Other folks?



On 1/25/10 11:57 AM, "Mirick, John O."
&lt;jmirick at mirickoconnell.com&gt; wrote:

At the risk of being too provocative, can anyone articulate a reason to
RESTRICT use of our data? ?For publication or otherwise? ?(I appreciate
that I?m approaching this issue as a layperson, rather than as a
graduate student or faculty member.) ?But if someone in a university
program wants to review our data and write a paper, say on the growth
rate of BC3 crosses in glacial till in Zone 4 in Massachusetts as
compared to sandy soil in Zone 5, or on survival rate of germinated
seeds with irrigation systems as compared to occasional watering by
hand, or on the incidence of deer browse and the success of
counter-measures, isn?t it in the interests of re-introducing the
chestnuts to have as many such studies as possible out there? ??
?
Absent a contrary direction from National, or a really compelling
?reason for restriction, I would allow access and use to all, including
access and use for publication.
?
John
?

 From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org
[mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of
Yvonne Federowicz
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:39 AM
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
Permissions (Database Project)

Are folks saying that they think everyone should have standing
permission to publish using our data? ?(That wasn?t exactly what our
meeting Motion implied, from my perspective.)

Thanks. Yvonne


On 1/25/10 11:14 AM, "Guy Shepard" &lt;tsuga35 at aol.com&gt; wrote:
I go along with Mike, let anyone use it until national says something,
we are helping american forests.
Guy



-----Original Message-----
From: Federowicz, Yvonne Marie &lt;Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu&gt;
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:38 am
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
Permissions (Database Project)


Hello - the ?group of TACF national & chapter people working on the
database
would like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up with in our
January
meeting.

I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal
discussion of
this, but they would like feedback so your considered ideas are very
welcome.

They would like to know:

(1.) ?Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data;

(2.) Does everyone need permission from the group in (1.) ?to publish
using this
data?
??????This could include:
???????a.) TACF national staff
???????b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
???????c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
???????d.) Anyone else you can think of here?

We could also give certain people or groups "standing permission"; I
think that
at the least, ?we probably would give MA/RI Board members such
permission,
otherwise Charlotte couldn't even make lists from the data for
presentation,
without us taking a vote. (we discussed this some)

*************
* Motion:
* 01/1010
*************

* We strongly feel that it is important for our data (both summaries
and raw) to
be viewably (read access) open to chapters and TACF members and staff.
However
people will need permission to use our data to publish.
_______________________________________________
MassChestnutOrchards mailing list
MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org
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From JohnViolin7 at aol.com  Tue Jan 26 13:30:19 2010
From: JohnViolin7 at aol.com (JohnViolin7 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:30:19 EST
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data
	Permissions (D
Message-ID: <eb28.5a37389c.38908ebb@aol.com>

my issues with our info are: attribution. (I think this serves everyone)
                                         oversight. (I also think we could 
perform a valuable service to ourselves and others by our being able to 
provide factual input/review at the time the data are studied, adding needed 
balance, perspective, and completeness of data. For instance, it could be 
casually inferred by a "researcher" that we all use Roundup on all of our 
plantings, and that is by no means the case.   Or that all of our plantings have 
the same spacing. Or that environmental conditions do not have have a real 
bearing on how quickly cankers develop. Or that all our data are gathered with 
exactly the same methods.)
                                          notice (The above requires that 
we know when and how our data are being used. I would prefer to condition our 
provision of data on some kind of timely notice about such use to us as a 
chapter, by the researching party.) 
                                            defence/comment  (It would be 
nice if we could be assured of the right to answer any critics in whatever 
forum the researcher publishes.
    I agree with Charlotte that we should take the initiative on 
publishing, and would hope that an article on Agrifos is forthcoming in the journal    
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From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu  Tue Jan 26 15:11:21 2010
From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:11:21 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] MA/RI Board Minutes 01-17-2010 - DRAFT
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#############################################
#
#    MA-TACF January Board Meeting 01/17/2010
#
#############################################

National Grid, Worcester, MA

Present:Mike Meixsell, Rufin Van Bossuyt, Mike Novack,Guy Shepard, Gary
Jacob, John Emery, Jamie Donalds, Yvonne Federowicz, John Meiklejohn,Lois
Breault-Melican, Denis Melican, Brad Smith, Roy Najecki, Rich Hoffman, Bruce
Spencer, Kathy Desjardin, John Mirick, Charlotte Zampini

Guests: Randy Proseck (UMass), Peter Williams (member), John Maple (member)
Kendra Gurney (TACF)

12 noon

################################
# Treasurers Report: Mike Novack
################################

Presented budget from 2009 and proposal for 2010
don't have the budgeted irrigation money anymore
got a large number of signs last year, but putting some money in for it

John Mirick -
Federal filing: only have to file if over $25K
State filing:  PC for public charity

############
# Motion
############

 to accept Treasurers Report: Mike Meixsell, seconded: Gary.  Passed
unanimously.

Postal expense for annual meeting are large portion of it
website about same

Inoculation: how much does a set of gear cost?

Awards: budgeted for placques because the organizations donating trucks are
helping a great deal

Rufin: we have plenty of wood at Guy's storage spot that could be used for
awards and such ? around 1000 board-feet

Guy: Davey Tree and other national companies' staff like having their
pictures in their national magazine
If we go to their place and give them an award, it is easier for them
Irrigation and such will depend upon number of new orchards

Charlotte's student, Adam, might be a candidate for a summer intern - help
us get our data standardized and such
Also a data logger/PDA type device
Intern could also work on inoculation

John Mirick:  getting grants:
1.getting the money ? need a financial statement from us, show that we are
'worthy'
2.after getting grant, need to show exactly what we're doing with grant
1.need to find out how much detail they want
2.might need to document how much paid intern, etc.
3.for small dollars we have, often wouldn't have to give that much detail
4.Mike's records show whether we spent all of the money on intended purpose

Budgets can be flexible we aren't legally bound to stay within that in same
way as a town

We can fund an intern later

John Mirick moved approve budget with small change; move signage $500 to
?supplies? - passed unanimously

Inoculation supplies: Kendra thinks that plates and such will just be sent
from Meadowview

#######################
# Guest: Randy Proseck
# Possible orchard siting
# Seed/BC3?
#######################

Randy: Umass Extension ? works on landscape, nursery & urban forestry team
and numerous other agricultural issues
Was connected with us by Maryland person: John
Dan Gilman got involved
Then got in touch with Kendra and Jamie
Umass had a lot of land

University won't do a ?deeded easement?.
Administrators are on furlough for a while due to budget problems

Kendra: Penn State  - PA chapter has a 10-block area for seed orchard.  Had
Kim Steiner, Kim Phelps ? got University to sign germplasm agreement. That
is the only agreement TACF has with university


Cooperative research agreement: might use this for University partnerships,
get National to draft one of these.

Randy needs to know next steps; still needs to talk with more
administrators.

Kendra: next step could be finding out what Umass is willing to do.  Seed
orchard is main goal; if not that, could try something else.

Jamie: one seed orchard block would be helpful; a solid connection with
Umass is very good for organization

Universities are often motivated by good publicity/causes

There are several other tree species that will need long-term research and
breeding like this too ? filberts, elms (need more diversity), butternut

Randy knows of a research farm near the river; some spots have irrigation

What other choices do we have?  Land trusts might be ideal...?

Rufin: Rutgers U. has a hazelnut research project ongoing. Rufin will
investigate.

Corps of Engineers and TACF have a recent agreement...

Charlotte: Could we include in Germplasm agreement commitment on their part
for helping to move

University does a lot of work on peninsula

Many private organizations do want to donate land

Cold Springs could also be a possibility (Umass)

Randy will next ask their dean to ask higher to see if there is interest

1 block would have 20 or so trees left  randomly spread on an acre, after
selection. We would have to move these somewhere if the agreement for land
were lost; larger trees are more difficult to move

Umass no longer has Master Gardeners connected directly with it

#######################
# Annual Meeting Review
#######################

The newspaper being present was very helpful in getting us publicity, Kathy
has received a lot of

Guy and Brad did a lot of great work



##################################
# Possible Seed Orchard
# Guests Peter Williams & John Maple
# Grafton, MA
##################################

John Maple is a horticulturist; Peter Williams is a landowner.  They are
interested in creating an orchard
Grafton, MA

Have land on Brigham Hill called Brigham Hill Farm.  They have been giving
land back to town's Land Trust.  Land has a lot of chestnut.

We described needs of orchards

Several Board Members live very close to this spot

Jamie would like people to visit the Grafton site
Can we get water there reliably
Soil tests
Land Trust policies

Planting will be staggered so water access needs to be continued

They would like:
 a written description of orchards;
what easement terms we need

We can give them some nuts for this spring to see how they grow
They gave us permission to walk the land and take soil samples

Kendra: Updates

Inoculation Report

############################
# Regional Meeting March 20th
############################

Urban Forestry Center in Portsmouth, NH
Pretty much geared to people familiar with what we do

Planting Manual from Penn State ? please read it beforehand.
Bring bag lunch, snacks

Database Project ? National database; could be very helpful
Everyone's data is in their own format for the most part

Not everyone has gone to the standard Excel form either in our chapter yet

This time, we are putting together as much info as possible for the
developer beforehand
Bill Adamson is putting a lot of time in on this, leading the project.
Taking a structured approach.

Getting all our data into the database will be crucial; we will need it
standardized first
Charlotte will coordinate?


There would be a new format for entry, an online one

Would give us idea to pull out data on project

Jamie ? why not have all our data public
Charlotte also wishes her data open

If people want data on orchard
(Charlotte) -terms of use ? added the data permission piece
If National generates a report using our data, we should have access to that

############
#  Motion: 
############

We strongly feel that it is important for our data (both summaries and raw)
to be viewably (read access) open to chapters and TACF members and staff.
However people will need permission to use our data to publish (John) (Mike)
passed unanimously

########################
#  Secretary's Report:
########################

Membership: 333 members...

Quite a few contacts.  Charlie Chase ? Middleboro, 4H. Could help volunteer,
group.

Kathy went through several other people with good chestnut info. Have some
extra nuts from Brimfield, MA contact? Americans?

Trustees of Reservations:  info

Worcester County Seedling Sale: pure American seedlings?  Hybrids?  Need
more info.
They have put our website on their form, but we're not providing the
trees... but we don't know what the nuts are.

Their documentation says both pure American and hybrid.
We would like our name taken off their info but also they need to clarify
their documentation

John Meik. & John Emery:
Motion: Our name be removed by the Worcester County Seedling Sale from
association with their product

Placques for Jim Garland and Frank Howard: Kathy contacted Meghan, she
forwarded info and waiting t hear back.  Kathy also asked a local contact.
Guy's wood could be used, Kathy will find out what is needed.

############
#  Motion
############

Approve Minutes Fall and Annual

Jamie moved, Rufin seconded.  All voted positively.

Committee to do soil testing Grafton ? Guy Shepard, Charlotte Zampini, John
Meiklejohn, Mike Meixsell

Easement Agreements:

Memorandum of Understanding: can be used with state or local agency,
nonbinding.  Written statement of intent. Usually try not to use large
committee, use a few negotiators.

Eminent Domain can always take land.

Having multiple parties included in the easement is safer, as all have to
agree for changes to occur, generally.

Landowners can save a lot of money by giving up development rights.


Please email John Mirick our wishes for the list of items we'd like on the
Easement List (bulleted items)

MA Secretary of Commonwealth ? Changes in our Bylaws
Number on our Board
Name of Chapter ? needs to be changed officially
- can do at next Board Meeting if we advertise

National votes to accept chapters; National will also need to accept the
name change

############
#  Motion: 
############

Jamie proposed that we Change our name with National officially; seconded
Kathy; all in favor

In April we will do the vote  to change the name.

People have voted to get BC3F3 nuts to the Chapter; several of us have
decided to give ours to the chapter

Charlotte knows of a 97-year-old gentleman who would like chestnuts... She
would like him to get BC3F3

What to do with the chapter's BC3F3 nuts that have come in this spring to
various members, who have donated them to chapter?

Charlotte will take care of them temporarily.


Could plant them at visible locations, then tell the people in whose honor
they would be in.

National Grid? Can revise as we go forward.

#######################
#   Restoration Planning:
#######################

Phone calls on 25th of Month: any member of foundation can be on
Mike Novack, Charlotte, and Jamie will be on.

Please read the Restoration document before the meeting

Restoration Branches: Jamie has spoken with woman interested in this (Susan)
in Princeton, MA.
Restoration branches can organize events to have donations and information -
$40 to get in, price of a membership. So they are a member for a year.

We also might be able to get these folks involved on committees.  Kathy will
send a list of people in her area.

#######################
#  Spring orchard activities
#######################

Charlotte - 
Nanking:
could try for at least 2 more lines;

Hawley has room for some

Plantings Spring 2010 (BC3)  :  SKLT, Westerly, Glocester & ?
(added to minutes by yf after meeting)

A couple more Nanking mother trees at least would be good.

Major push for inoculations this spring/summer: almost 9 orchards ready!

more Lincoln
more Wrentham
Stirling ? priority
Medway ? could be a potential seed orchard also
Moore State Park ? or could wait
Jim Garland
John Meiklejohn would like to wait on Granville
Lunenburg ? possibility

Closed canopies are bad ? waiting too long is bad

Might be using Frank Howard's money this year to hire an intern

two-week period when all this has to be done

We will still all need to pitch in.  Need to do preparation.

Adam could do the work, has already done inoculations.

Executive Board can authorize; $15/hr. Charlotte will talk to Adam.  We
don't yet have a concrete off for him though, and we have up to $5K plus
other funds or so to use for this.

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From Fred at acf.org  Tue Jan 26 23:18:27 2010
From: Fred at acf.org (Fred Hebard)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:18:27 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter
	Data	Permissions (Database Project)
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Kendra,

There also is the case of well-intentioned people with TACF/chapter's  
best interests at heart who make mistakes in analyses and then pursue  
the implications of those analyses, relentlessly.

Fred

On Jan 26, 2010, at 9:49 AM, Kendra Gurney wrote:

> Hi John ?
>
>
>
> The biggest reason I could really see for restricting open-access  
> to data is in the instance of someone trying to discredit our  
> program or work in some way.  I would certainly hope this would not  
> be a common occurrence, however we do occasionally encounter people  
> that find fault with one aspect of our work or another.  For  
> example, what about the possibility of someone concerned about the  
> use of Round-Up?  With open-access they could easily document how  
> much we use in our orchards, and use those data to paint us in a  
> bad light.  Or what about someone looking at our ratings data to  
> show that blight-resistance is not guaranteed, regardless of  
> whether or not they understand our breeding program?  These may be  
> extreme, and hopefully paranoid, possibilities, but I think it is  
> worth considering that not everyone wishing to access and export  
> data will have TACF?s, and our chapters?, best interest at heart.   
> It is easy enough to manipulate data, usually by omitting pertinent  
> details, in order to cast research in a negative light.
>
>
>
> I think it is easy for us to assume that only good could come from  
> open access ? we have a really great mission ? but it would be a  
> shame if that assumption came back to bite us.  The Terms of Use  
> agreement for the database would certainly ask that any use of the  
> system be in-line with TACF?s mission, but not everyone out there  
> is as honest as we might hope.  I?m very proud of all of our  
> chapters and would hate to see any negative consequences come from  
> this project.
>
>
>
> Sorry to be so pessimistic, but it is worth considering the  
> possible implications of open-access ? both positive and negative.   
> I think it will be up to each chapter to decide if the positives  
> outweigh the negatives for their data.
>
>
>
> Best ?
>
>
>
> Kendra
>
>
>
> ----
>
> Kendra Gurney
>
> 802.999.8706 (cell)
>
>
>
> From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org  
> [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of  
> Mirick, John O.
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:58 AM
> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
> Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter  
> Data Permissions (Database Project)
>
>
>
> At the risk of being too provocative, can anyone articulate a  
> reason to RESTRICT use of our data?  For publication or otherwise?   
> (I appreciate that I?m approaching this issue as a layperson,  
> rather than as a graduate student or faculty member.)  But if  
> someone in a university program wants to review our data and write  
> a paper, say on the growth rate of BC3 crosses in glacial till in  
> Zone 4 in Massachusetts as compared to sandy soil in Zone 5, or on  
> survival rate of germinated seeds with irrigation systems as  
> compared to occasional watering by hand, or on the incidence of  
> deer browse and the success of counter-measures, isn?t it in the  
> interests of re-introducing the chestnuts to have as many such  
> studies as possible out there?
>
>
>
> Absent a contrary direction from National, or a really compelling   
> reason for restriction, I would allow access and use to all,  
> including access and use for publication.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org  
> [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of  
> Yvonne Federowicz
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:39 AM
> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
> Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter  
> Data Permissions (Database Project)
>
>
>
> Are folks saying that they think everyone should have standing  
> permission to publish using our data?  (That wasn?t exactly what  
> our meeting Motion implied, from my perspective.)
>
> Thanks. Yvonne
>
>
> On 1/25/10 11:14 AM, "Guy Shepard" <tsuga35 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> I go along with Mike, let anyone use it until national says  
> something, we are helping american forests.
> Guy
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Federowicz, Yvonne Marie <Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu>
> To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
> Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:38 am
> Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Feedback needed: MA/RI Chapter Data  
> Permissions (Database Project)
>
>
> Hello - the  group of TACF national & chapter people working on the  
> database
> would like feedback re. this Motion that MA/RI came up with in our  
> January
> meeting.
>
> I know we aren't in a Board meeting so we can't have an ideal  
> discussion of
> this, but they would like feedback so your considered ideas are  
> very welcome.
>
> They would like to know:
>
> (1.)  Who in our chapter would approve use of the MA/RI data;
>
> (2.) Does everyone need permission from the group in (1.)  to  
> publish using this
> data?
>       This could include:
>        a.) TACF national staff
>        b.) MA/RI board members, chapter members
>        c.) Outside (academic/research) persons
>        d.) Anyone else you can think of here?
>
> We could also give certain people or groups "standing permission";  
> I think that
> at the least,  we probably would give MA/RI Board members such  
> permission,
> otherwise Charlotte couldn't even make lists from the data for  
> presentation,
> without us taking a vote. (we discussed this some)
>
> *************
> * Motion:
> * 01/1010
> *************
>
> * We strongly feel that it is important for our data (both  
> summaries and raw) to
> be viewably (read access) open to chapters and TACF members and  
> staff. However
> people will need permission to use our data to publish.
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From n1djb at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 30 13:49:01 2010
From: n1djb at yahoo.com (Jamie Donalds)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:49:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Request For Pure American Chestnut Seed
In-Reply-To: <000301caa13d$ba8955c0$2f9c0140$@NET>
References: <000301caa13d$ba8955c0$2f9c0140$@NET>
Message-ID: <895754.43221.qm@web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Kathy, This seems like someone who we should help if we can.
           I remember someone at the winter chapter meeting saying that they had, or knew somone who had pure Amercans.
Does any one  who attended remember this?
-Jamie





________________________________
From: KATHY DESJARDIN <KATHYDESJARDIN at VERIZON.NET>
To: Charlotte Zampini <cbz at aol.com>; Rufin Van Bossuyt <rufin at charter.net>; Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 6:49:35 PM
Subject: FW: Request For Pure American Chestnut Seed

 
The following is a rather unusual request address to our chapter. 
Wondered if you are familiar with this person.
 
Kathy
 
From:mlbcliff at aol.com
[mailto:mlbcliff at aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:48 PM
To: machapter at acf.org
Subject: Request For Pure American Chestnut Seed
 
Hello Ms. Desjardin,

My name is Clifford Olson. I am a American Chestnut enthusiast and breeder from
Connecticut and am interested in obtaining pure American Chestnut seeds from
your state. I have an orchard that currently has many American trees from
Virginia in it and as spring is just around the corner, I am hoping to greatly
expand it soon with trees from many other states as well. My goal is to obtain
seeds/seedlings from as many mother trees as possible from every state so that
I can preserve the gene pool for the time being and eventually repopulate the
surrounding area. Collecting pure American Chestnut trees is a true passion of
mine and I have been doubling my recent efforts to obtain seeds from as many
surviving American Chestnut trees as I can. Unfortunately getting to each state
in the original range and searching about for the rare surviving mother trees
is a daunting task, although a welcome one. I do not know if you have any pure
American Chestnut seeds available that you are willing to part with or not, but
I would be DELIGHTED to have some if they are available. I can use as many as
you are willing to give. They would be well watered, protected, and taken care
of. I can send you some money. If none are available, I will be disappointed
but understand completely! Pure American Chestnuts from local trees are a rare
and beautiful thing. Thank you for your time! I look forward to hearing from
you!

Cliff Olson


      
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From gjacob at comcast.net  Sat Jan 30 16:51:23 2010
From: gjacob at comcast.net (Gary Jacob)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:51:23 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Request For Pure American Chestnut Seed
In-Reply-To: <895754.43221.qm@web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <000301caa13d$ba8955c0$2f9c0140$@NET>
	<895754.43221.qm@web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00e701caa1f6$5ddb7290$199257b0$@net>

Jamie,

 

This person seem innocent enough and I do not see where sending him some
pure Americans can do any harm, but we should find out if he is a member of
TACF, if he has contact the Conn. Chapter and if National knows anything
about him.

 

                Gary 

 

From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org
[mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Jamie
Donalds
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:49 PM
To: KATHY DESJARDIN
Cc: orchard mgrlist
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Request For Pure American Chestnut Seed

 

Kathy, This seems like someone who we should help if we can.
           I remember someone at the winter chapter meeting saying that they
had, or knew somone who had pure Amercans.
Does any one  who attended remember this?
-Jamie

 

  _____  

From: KATHY DESJARDIN <KATHYDESJARDIN at VERIZON.NET>
To: Charlotte Zampini <cbz at aol.com>; Rufin Van Bossuyt <rufin at charter.net>;
Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 6:49:35 PM
Subject: FW: Request For Pure American Chestnut Seed

The following is a rather unusual request address to our chapter.  Wondered
if you are familiar with this person.

 

Kathy

 

From: mlbcliff at aol.com [mailto:mlbcliff at aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:48 PM
To: machapter at acf.org
Subject: Request For Pure American Chestnut Seed

 

Hello Ms. Desjardin,


My name is Clifford Olson. I am a American Chestnut enthusiast and breeder
from Connecticut and am interested in obtaining pure American Chestnut seeds
from your state. I have an orchard that currently has many American trees
from Virginia in it and as spring is just around the corner, I am hoping to
greatly expand it soon with trees from many other states as well. My goal is
to obtain seeds/seedlings from as many mother trees as possible from every
state so that I can preserve the gene pool for the time being and eventually
repopulate the surrounding area. Collecting pure American Chestnut trees is
a true passion of mine and I have been doubling my recent efforts to obtain
seeds from as many surviving American Chestnut trees as I can. Unfortunately
getting to each state in the original range and searching about for the rare
surviving mother trees is a daunting task, although a welcome one. I do not
know if you have any pure American Chestnut seeds available that you are
willing to part with or not, but I would be DELIGHTED to have some if they
are available. I can use as many as you are willing to give. They would be
well watered, protected, and taken care of. I can send you some money. If
none are available, I will be disappointed but understand completely! Pure
American Chestnuts from local trees are a rare and beautiful thing. Thank
you for your time! I look forward to hearing from you!

Cliff Olson

 

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From bill.adamsen at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 20:47:16 2010
From: bill.adamsen at gmail.com (Bill Adamsen)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:47:16 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Request For Pure American Chestnut Seed
In-Reply-To: <895754.43221.qm@web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <000301caa13d$ba8955c0$2f9c0140$@NET>
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Jamie and Kathy:

We don't show a Cliff Olson that is or ever has been a member of TACF from
the state of CT.
It would be interesting to get a better understanding of what he is doing,
and intends to do with the opa materials.
I will contact him off-line.

--
Bill Adamsen
CT Chapter President
917.796.4284 (m)


On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Kathy, This seems like someone who we should help if we can.
>            I remember someone at the winter chapter meeting saying that
> they had, or knew somone who had pure Amercans.
> Does any one  who attended remember this?
> -Jamie
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* KATHY DESJARDIN <KATHYDESJARDIN at VERIZON.NET>
> *To:* Charlotte Zampini <cbz at aol.com>; Rufin Van Bossuyt <
> rufin at charter.net>; Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Fri, January 29, 2010 6:49:35 PM
> *Subject:* FW: Request For Pure American Chestnut Seed
>
>  The following is a rather unusual request address to our chapter.
> Wondered if you are familiar with this person.
>
>
>
> Kathy
>
>
>
> *From:* mlbcliff at aol.com [mailto:mlbcliff at aol.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2010 4:48 PM
> *To:* machapter at acf.org
> *Subject:* Request For Pure American Chestnut Seed
>
>
>
> Hello Ms. Desjardin,
>
>
> My name is Clifford Olson. I am a American Chestnut enthusiast and breeder
> from Connecticut and am interested in obtaining pure American Chestnut seeds
> from your state. I have an orchard that currently has many American trees
> from Virginia in it and as spring is just around the corner, I am hoping to
> greatly expand it soon with trees from many other states as well. My goal is
> to obtain seeds/seedlings from as many mother trees as possible from every
> state so that I can preserve the gene pool for the time being and eventually
> repopulate the surrounding area. Collecting pure American Chestnut trees is
> a true passion of mine and I have been doubling my recent efforts to obtain
> seeds from as many surviving American Chestnut trees as I can. Unfortunately
> getting to each state in the original range and searching about for the rare
> surviving mother trees is a daunting task, although a welcome one. I do not
> know if you have any pure American Chestnut seeds available that you are
> willing to part with or not, but I would be DELIGHTED to have some if they
> are available. I can use as many as you are willing to give. They would be
> well watered, protected, and taken care of. I can send you some money. If
> none are available, I will be disappointed but understand completely! Pure
> American Chestnuts from local trees are a rare and beautiful thing. Thank
> you for your time! I look forward to hearing from you!
>
> Cliff Olson
>
>
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From tsuga35 at aol.com  Sun Jan 31 17:42:00 2010
From: tsuga35 at aol.com (tsuga35 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:42:00 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Request For Pure American Chestnut Seed
In-Reply-To: <3ea3fdf71001301747q4c5b3d5dy8e3cd4292af8e2b6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000301caa13d$ba8955c0$2f9c0140$@NET><895754.43221.qm@web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<3ea3fdf71001301747q4c5b3d5dy8e3cd4292af8e2b6@mail.gmail.com>
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I do not see any good coming from providing nuts to this person, 


only bad press and bad feeling from members who are willing to wait and support the organization
.Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Adamsen <bill.adamsen at gmail.com>
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Cc: Daphne Van Schaick <daphne at acf.org>; KATHY DESJARDIN <KATHYDESJARDIN at verizon.net>
Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Request For Pure American Chestnut Seed


Jamie and Kathy:

We don't show a Cliff Olson that is or ever has been a member of TACF from the state of CT.
It would be interesting to get a better understanding of what he is doing, and intends to do with the opa materials.
I will contact him off-line.

--
Bill Adamsen
CT Chapter President
917.796.4284 (m)



On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com> wrote:


Kathy, This seems like someone who we should help if we can.
           I remember someone at the winter chapter meeting saying that they had, or knew somone who had pure Amercans.
Does any one  who attended remember this?
-Jamie




From: KATHY DESJARDIN <KATHYDESJARDIN at VERIZON.NET>
To: Charlotte Zampini <cbz at aol.com>; Rufin Van Bossuyt <rufin at charter.net>; Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 6:49:35 PM
Subject: FW: Request For Pure American Chestnut Seed


The following is a rather unusual request address to our chapter.  Wondered if you are familiar with this person.
 
Kathy
 

From: mlbcliff at aol.com [mailto:mlbcliff at aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:48 PM
To: machapter at acf.org
Subject: Request For Pure American Chestnut Seed

 


Hello Ms. Desjardin,


My name is Clifford Olson. I am a American Chestnut enthusiast and breeder from Connecticut and am interested in obtaining pure American Chestnut seeds from your state. I have an orchard that currently has many American trees from Virginia in it and as spring is just around the corner, I am hoping to greatly expand it soon with trees from many other states as well. My goal is to obtain seeds/seedlings from as many mother trees as possible from every state so that I can preserve the gene pool for the time being and eventually repopulate the surrounding area. Collecting pure American Chestnut trees is a true passion of mine and I have been doubling my recent efforts to obtain seeds from as many surviving American Chestnut trees as I can. Unfortunately getting to each state in the original range and searching about for the rare surviving mother trees is a daunting task, although a welcome one. I do not know if you have any pure American Chestnut seeds available that you are willing to part with or not, but I would be DELIGHTED to have some if they are available. I can use as many as you are willing to give. They would be well watered, protected, and taken care of. I can send you some money. If none are available, I will be disappointed but understand completely! Pure American Chestnuts from local trees are a rare and beautiful thing. Thank you for your time! I look forward to hearing from you!

Cliff Olson






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MassChestnutOrchards mailing list
MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org
http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards





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From gjacob at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 18:03:15 2010
From: gjacob at comcast.net (Gary Jacob)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:03:15 -0500
Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Request For Pure American Chestnut Seed
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References: <000301caa13d$ba8955c0$2f9c0140$@NET><895754.43221.qm@web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<3ea3fdf71001301747q4c5b3d5dy8e3cd4292af8e2b6@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <010601caa2c9$92781570$b7684050$@net>

Guy,

 

I do not think he is asking for resistant nuts, just original pure
Americans. 

 

                Gary  

                

 

From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org
[mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of
tsuga35 at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:42 PM
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Request For Pure American Chestnut Seed

 


I do not see any good coming from providing nuts to this person, 

only bad press and bad feeling from members who are willing to wait and
support the organization
.Guy


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Adamsen <bill.adamsen at gmail.com>
To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org
Cc: Daphne Van Schaick <daphne at acf.org>; KATHY DESJARDIN
<KATHYDESJARDIN at verizon.net>
Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Request For Pure American Chestnut Seed

Jamie and Kathy:

We don't show a Cliff Olson that is or ever has been a member of TACF from
the state of CT.
It would be interesting to get a better understanding of what he is doing,
and intends to do with the opa materials.
I will contact him off-line.

--
Bill Adamsen
CT Chapter President
917.796.4284 (m)



On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com> wrote:

Kathy, This seems like someone who we should help if we can.
           I remember someone at the winter chapter meeting saying that they
had, or knew somone who had pure Amercans.
Does any one  who attended remember this?
-Jamie

 

  _____  

From: KATHY DESJARDIN <KATHYDESJARDIN at VERIZON.NET>
To: Charlotte Zampini <cbz at aol.com>; Rufin Van Bossuyt <rufin at charter.net>;
Jamie Donalds <n1djb at yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 6:49:35 PM
Subject: FW: Request For Pure American Chestnut Seed

The following is a rather unusual request address to our chapter.  Wondered
if you are familiar with this person.

 

Kathy

 

From: mlbcliff at aol.com [mailto:mlbcliff at aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:48 PM
To: machapter at acf.org
Subject: Request For Pure American Chestnut Seed

 

Hello Ms. Desjardin,


My name is Clifford Olson. I am a American Chestnut enthusiast and breeder
from Connecticut and am interested in obtaining pure American Chestnut seeds
from your state. I have an orchard that currently has many American trees
from Virginia in it and as spring is just around the corner, I am hoping to
greatly expand it soon with trees from many other states as well. My goal is
to obtain seeds/seedlings from as many mother trees as possible from every
state so that I can preserve the gene pool for the time being and eventually
repopulate the surrounding area. Collecting pure American Chestnut trees is
a true passion of mine and I have been doubling my recent efforts to obtain
seeds from as many surviving American Chestnut trees as I can. Unfortunately
getting to each state in the original range and searching about for the rare
surviving mother trees is a daunting task, although a welcome one. I do not
know if you have any pure American Chestnut seeds available that you are
willing to part with or not, but I would be DELIGHTED to have some if they
are available. I can use as many as you are willing to give. They would be
well watered, protected, and taken care of. I can send you some money. If
none are available, I will be disappointed but understand completely! Pure
American Chestnuts from local trees are a rare and beautiful thing. Thank
you for your time! I look forward to hearing from you!

Cliff Olson

 


_______________________________________________
MassChestnutOrchards mailing list
MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org
http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards

 

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MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org
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