From jmirick at mirickoconnell.com Mon Aug 3 15:44:11 2009 From: jmirick at mirickoconnell.com (Mirick, John O.) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:44:11 -0400 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Seed Orchard Easement In-Reply-To: <727515.65140.qm@web111412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <727515.65140.qm@web111412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At the summer meeting of the Mass Chapter yesterday, we spent some time discussing what should go into an "easement" for a seed orchard. If we have an agreement with a private landowner, then the legal document is an easement. If current landowner is willing, the easement will be recorded at the Registry of Deeds, and will be legally binding on the current landowner and on his/her successors and assigns for 30 years. Without an recorded easement, binding on successors and assigns, there is a risk that current or subsequent landowner decides to do something else with the property. If we have an agreement with a town or with a state agency, then the legal document is a memorandum of understanding. While not legally binding if the town of state agency comes up with another, more urgent use for the property, most towns and state agencies abide by MOUs, and only change the use is there is a real need to convert the property to another activity. Rather than take up more time of the entire Board, I volunteered to circulate bullet points for review and comment, to collect and collate the comments, and to present the bullet points at the next board meeting. My initial draft is attached. Comments, suggestions, additions all welcome. Please keep in mind that any agreement will be a matter of negotiation. We may find that the landowner has his/her own set of bullet points, and that we won't be able to include everything that we wish. The goal of this exercise is to develop a list that we can use when we negotiate with a landowner. 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Subject: [MassChestnutNews] Seed Orchard Easement To: "orchard mgrlist" , "rufin at charter.net" , "orchard news" Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 3:44 PM At the summer meeting of the Mass Chapter yesterday, we spent some time discussing what should go into an ?easement? for a seed orchard.? ? If we have an agreement with a private landowner, then the legal document is an easement.? If current landowner is willing, the easement will be recorded at the Registry of Deeds, and will be legally binding on the current landowner and on his/her successors and assigns for 30 years. ?Without an recorded easement, binding on successors and assigns, there is a risk that current or subsequent landowner decides to do something else with the property. ? If we have an agreement with a town or with a state agency, then the legal document is a memorandum of understanding.? While not legally binding if the town of state agency comes up with another, more urgent use for the property, most towns and state agencies abide by MOUs, and only change the use is there is a real need to convert the property to another activity. ? Rather than take up more time of the entire Board, I volunteered to circulate bullet points for review and comment, to collect and collate the comments, and to present the bullet points at the next board meeting. ?My initial draft is attached.? Comments, suggestions, additions all welcome.? Please keep in mind that any agreement will be a matter of negotiation.? We may find that the landowner has his/her own set of bullet points, and that we won?t be able to include everything that we wish.? The goal of this exercise is to develop a list that we can use when we negotiate with a landowner. ? John Mirick ? ? ****************************************************************** DISCLAIMER REGARDING TAX ADVICE - IRS CIRCULAR 230 DISCLOSURE: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS, we inform you that any federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter communicated to you. ? ****************************************************************** The information contained in this electronic message is legally privileged and confidential under applicable law, and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above.? If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited.? If you have received this communication in error, please notify Mirick O'Connell at (508)791-8500 and delete this communication immediately without copying or distributing it. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ MassChestnutNews mailing list MassChestnutNews at masschestnut.org http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutnews -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mrsgale.fates.org/pipermail/masschestnutorchards/attachments/20090803/ccfc058b/attachment.html From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu Tue Aug 4 18:19:07 2009 From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:19:07 -0400 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Soil testing for chestnuts - Westerly soil problems Message-ID: Hi folks, URI no longer does soil testing so we need to use Umass or UCT to figure out what is going on at Westerly. On the Umass soil test website there are several choices... Do we have a standard one to use? I am looking at: http://www.umass.edu/plsoils/soiltest/soilbrochc.htm (Choice ?C? - standard test plus organic matter?) And http://www.umass.edu/plsoils/soiltest/soilbrochd.htm (Choice #7, deciduous trees? Doesn?t allow for acid-loving trees; would ericaceous be a better match for chestnut?) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mrsgale.fates.org/pipermail/masschestnutorchards/attachments/20090804/5310022a/attachment.html From tsuga35 at aol.com Tue Aug 4 18:24:33 2009 From: tsuga35 at aol.com (tsuga35 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:24:33 -0400 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Soil testing for chestnuts - Westerly soil problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBE36979D01413-93C-20A@WEBMAIL-MZ29.sysops.aol.com> Yvonne, ? -----Original Message----- From: Yvonne Federowicz To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org Sent: Tue, Aug 4, 2009 6:19 pm Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Soil testing for chestnuts - Westerly soil problems Hi folks, URI no longer does soil testing so we need to use Umass or UCT to figure out what is going on at Westerly. ?On the Umass soil test website there are several choices... Do we have a standard one to use? I am looking at: http://www.umass.edu/plsoils/soiltest/soilbrochc.htm (Choice ?C? - standard test plus organic matter?) And http://www.umass.edu/plsoils/soiltest/soilbrochd.htm (Choice #7, deciduous trees? Doesn?t allow for acid-loving trees; would ericaceous be a better match for chestnut?) _______________________________________________ assChestnutOrchards mailing list assChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org ttp://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mrsgale.fates.org/pipermail/masschestnutorchards/attachments/20090804/9009a35a/attachment.html From tsuga35 at aol.com Tue Aug 4 18:26:12 2009 From: tsuga35 at aol.com (tsuga35 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:26:12 -0400 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Soil testing for chestnuts - Westerly soil problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBE369B4E9BBEF-93C-224@WEBMAIL-MZ29.sysops.aol.com> Yvonne, ? I have allways used "C" only $16. ?Guy -----Original Message----- From: Yvonne Federowicz To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org Sent: Tue, Aug 4, 2009 6:19 pm Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Soil testing for chestnuts - Westerly soil problems Hi folks, URI no longer does soil testing so we need to use Umass or UCT to figure out what is going on at Westerly. ?On the Umass soil test website there are several choices... Do we have a standard one to use? I am looking at: http://www.umass.edu/plsoils/soiltest/soilbrochc.htm (Choice ?C? - standard test plus organic matter?) And http://www.umass.edu/plsoils/soiltest/soilbrochd.htm (Choice #7, deciduous trees? Doesn?t allow for acid-loving trees; would ericaceous be a better match for chestnut?) _______________________________________________ assChestnutOrchards mailing list assChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org ttp://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mrsgale.fates.org/pipermail/masschestnutorchards/attachments/20090804/b6bc466f/attachment.html From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu Tue Aug 4 18:34:21 2009 From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:34:21 -0400 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Soil testing for chestnuts - Westerly soil problems In-Reply-To: <8CBE369B4E9BBEF-93C-224@WEBMAIL-MZ29.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Guy- The site is less than 1 mile from a salt marsh, and then the ocean ? is that final test on salts also worthwhile? There is also the issue of how to categorize chestnut on the second page. On 8/4/09 6:26 PM, "Guy Shepard" wrote: > Yvonne, > I have allways used "C" only $16. > Guy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Yvonne Federowicz > To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org > > Sent: Tue, Aug 4, 2009 6:19 pm > Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Soil testing for chestnuts - Westerly soil > problems > > Hi folks, > > URI no longer does soil testing so we need to use Umass or UCT to figure out > what is going on at Westerly. On the Umass soil test website there are > several choices... Do we have a standard one to use? > > I am looking at: > > http://www.umass.edu/plsoils/soiltest/soilbrochc.htm > > (Choice ?C? - standard test plus organic matter?) > > And > > http://www.umass.edu/plsoils/soiltest/soilbrochd.htm > > (Choice #7, deciduous trees? 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On 8/4/09 6:26 PM, "Guy Shepard" wrote: Yvonne, ??I have allways used "C" only $16. ?Guy -----Original Message----- From: Yvonne Federowicz To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org Sent: Tue, Aug 4, 2009 6:19 pm Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Soil testing for chestnuts - Westerly soil problems Hi folks, URI no longer does soil testing so we need to use Umass or UCT to figure out what is going on at Westerly. ?On the Umass soil test website there are several choices... Do we have a standard one to use? I am looking at: http://www.umass.edu/plsoils/soiltest/soilbrochc.htm (Choice ?C? - standard test plus organic matter?) And http://www.umass.edu/plsoils/soiltest/soilbrochd.htm (Choice #7, deciduous trees? 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URL: http://mrsgale.fates.org/pipermail/masschestnutorchards/attachments/20090804/82a779ef/attachment.html From n1djb at yahoo.com Wed Aug 5 10:52:34 2009 From: n1djb at yahoo.com (Jamie Donalds) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 07:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Fwd: USFS/TACF Meeting - Penn State Aug 12 Message-ID: <253476.27522.qm@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> FYI -if anyone interested in attending. please let me know. -Jamie --- On Wed, 8/5/09, Sara Fitzsimmons wrote: From: Sara Fitzsimmons Subject: Fwd: USFS/TACF Meeting - Penn State Aug 12 To: ksykes at fs.fed.us, "fred hebard" , "Kendra Gurney" , "Paul Lupo" , "Dave Armstrong" , "brian mccarthy" , "Bryan Burhans" , "Paul Sisco" , "carolyn keiffer" , "Greg Miller" , "Burnworth" , "jim mckenna" , "Bruce Wakeland" , "herb darling" , "kim steiner" , "Glen Rae" , "Sally Weeks" , "lisa worthen" , "Jamie Donalds" , "Rex Mann" , "bill adamsen" , "Eric Zenner" , "john carlson" , gsknight at tds.net, "bob paris" , "craig hibben" , "Thomas Cook" , "bill macdonald" , "mark double" , rowitmer at state.pa.us, "Colleen B Grundy" , "Andrea Hille" , "Glen A Juergens" , "Susan Stout" , "Kurt Gottschalk" , "Daniel Twardus" , "Robert Lueckel" , "Paul C Berrang" , "Steven P Alarid" , "Chris Casey" , "Michael Bohne" , "Noel Schneeberger" , "Ron Overton" , "Paul Momper" , "Barbara Crane" , "Alan Iskra" , "Gary L Willison" , "dick will" , "Tracey Coulter" , "Alex Day" , "tim eck (home)" Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 7:29 AM Hi everyone, Here are a few details and some accompanying materials for the upcoming USFS/TACF meeting next Wednesday, August 12. In preparation for the meeting, I have attached several documents 1)? USFS/TACF Memorandum of Understanding 2)? TACF Testing Task Force Planting Protocol 3)? TACF Summary Restoration Plan The location is PENN STATE UNIVERSITY in ROOM 217 of the FOREST RESOURCES BUILDING.? The building is located on the corner of Bigler and East Park Avenue.? The nearest parking deck is located beside Forest Resources Building on Bigler Road.? I've attached an official PSU campus map. We'll be having a mostly working lunch, but will have a 30 minute break during that time.? You can bring your own lunch/snacks, but we'll also make available a menu or two from a local delivery place so that you can place orders for lunch.? In addition, the PSU Creamery is located one more building down Bigler beside the parking deck. If you'd like to call in, the number for the room is:?? (814) 865-4510. There are several open spots, so if anyone wants to make a last minute trip, we'd love you to join us. If you have any questions, or need anything else, just let me know. No changes have been made to the agenda since my last message.? The agenda is shown below. Some changes have been made to the list of attendees.? That list is also shown below. AGENDA 1.? Introduction and Welcome (0.5 hour, 8:00 am - 8:30am) 2.? Background and History of The American Chestnut Foundation and its Breeding Program (0.5 hour, 8:30am - 9:00am) 3.? Planting and Growing American Chestnut Trees (1 hour, 9:00am - 10:00am) BREAK (15 minutes) 4.? Reintroduction Strategy (includes testing and restoration plan) (0.75 hour, 10:15am - 11am) 5.? Status of Breeding and Regional Adaptability of advanced backcross material (1 hour, 11am - 12pm) LUNCH (30 minutes) 6.? USFS experience with chestnut plantings (1 hour, 12:30pm - 1:30pm) 7.? Where to go from here? (2 hours, 1:30pm - 3:30pm) BREAK, TRAVEL (30 minutes) 8.? Tours, PSU Arboretum and Gamelands (2 hours, 4:00pm - 6:00pm) ATTENDEES (as of 8/4/09) 1- Paul Berrang - geneticist - National Forest System - Region 9 (confirmed) 2 - Colleen Grundy - silviculturist - National Forest System - Region 9 (confirmed) 3 - Andrea Hille - silviculturist - Allegheny NF? (confirmed) 4 - Glen Juergens - silviculturist - Monongahela NF? (confirmed) 5 - Susan Stout - silviculturist and project leader - Forest Service Research, Warren, PA (confirmed) 6 - Kurt Gottschalk - forester and project leader - Forest Service Research, Morgantown, WV? (confirmed) 7 - Alan Iskra - plant pathologist - State and Private Forestry Field Office, Morgantown, WV (confirmed) 8 - possibly someone from the Fernow Experimental Forest (i.e. FS Research) 9 - Gary Willison - Watershed &Timber Group Leader - Wayne National Forest, OH (confirmed) 10 - friend of the Wayne (unconfirmed) 11 - Robert Witmer, PA DCNR Planning Section Chief (confirmed) 12 - Sara Fitzsimmons, TACF Northern App. Science Coordinator (confirmed) 13 - Fred Hebard, TACF Staff Pathologist (confirmed) 14 - Bryan Burhans, TACF President and CEO (confirmed) 15 - Kendra Gurney, TACF New England Science Coordinator (confirmed) 16 - Kim Steiner, Professor of Forest Science (PSU), Science Cabinet Chair (TACF) (confirmed) 17 - John Carlson - PSU professor of Forest Genetics (comfirmed) 18 - Paul Lupo - PSU research associate charged with oversight of PSU chestnut orchards (comfirmed) 19 - Rep from Hoosier National Forest (unconfirmed) 20 - Rep from Finger Lakes / Green Mountain National Forests (unconfirmed) 21 - Rex Mann, USFS (retired), Chair of Restoration Plan Development (TACF) (confirmed) 22 - Jim McKenna, Operation Tree Breeder, Purdue HTIRC (confirmed) 23 - Bruce Wakeland, Indiana Consulting Forester, former IN-TACF president (confirmed) 24 - PA - Dave Armstrong (confirmed) 25 - open26 - open 27 - open 28 - open 29 - open 30 - open Thanks! Sara Sara Fern Fitzsimmons Northern Appalachian Regional Science Coordinator The American Chestnut Foundation? The Pennsylvania State University 206 Forest Resources Lab University Park, PA 16802 e-mail: sara at acf.org phone (office): 814-863-7192 phone (cell): 814-404-6013 fax: 814-863-3600 http://chestnut.cas.psu.edu http://www.acf.org http://www.patacf.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mrsgale.fates.org/pipermail/masschestnutorchards/attachments/20090805/16789e0e/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best - Kendra From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Yvonne Federowicz Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 6:19 PM To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Soil testing for chestnuts - Westerly soil problems Hi folks, URI no longer does soil testing so we need to use Umass or UCT to figure out what is going on at Westerly. On the Umass soil test website there are several choices... Do we have a standard one to use? I am looking at: http://www.umass.edu/plsoils/soiltest/soilbrochc.htm (Choice "C" - standard test plus organic matter?) And http://www.umass.edu/plsoils/soiltest/soilbrochd.htm (Choice #7, deciduous trees? Doesn't allow for acid-loving trees; would ericaceous be a better match for chestnut?) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mrsgale.fates.org/pipermail/masschestnutorchards/attachments/20090813/665479e0/attachment.html From stepbystepfarm at mtdata.com Thu Aug 13 14:57:42 2009 From: stepbystepfarm at mtdata.com (Mike or Penny Novack) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:57:42 -0400 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] orchard expense reimbursements In-Reply-To: <1038B95BBFE34A33A0A2D56050988871@sarah> References: <1038B95BBFE34A33A0A2D56050988871@sarah> Message-ID: <4A846226.9030804@mtdata.com> Michael D Novack Step by Step Farm 117 Clesson Brook Rd Charlemont, MA 01339 Don't forget to send your address along with this so I can mail you the reimbursement check Michael John Meiklejohn wrote: > To: Mike N. > From: J. Meiklejohn > > Mike: Could you please send me your address? I have some receipts > for orchard supplies and I need to send them to you for reimbursement. > > Thanks, > John Meiklejohn > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >MassChestnutOrchards mailing list >MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org >http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards > > -- There is no possibility of social justice on a dead planet except the equality of the grave. From n1djb at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 14:11:02 2009 From: n1djb at yahoo.com (Jamie Donalds) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Fwd: Scanned Document Am Chestnut trees Message-ID: <378943.72447.qm@web111406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guy, I 'm not aware of this orchard. Does anybody have any additional info?? -Jamie --- On Sun, 8/16/09, tsuga35 at aol.com wrote: From: tsuga35 at aol.com Subject: Fwd: Scanned Document Am Chestnut trees To: n1djb at yahoo.com Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 12:19 PM Jammie, ? met this gentleman at a meeting, according to him, the Army Corp. is taking care of this orchard, Do we know about this orchard, he says he has not heard form any one in years, but is will in to work with us and has unlimited land. Guy -----Original Message----- From: Chamberland, Thomas A NAE To: tsuga35 at aol.com Sent: Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:10 pm Subject: FW: Scanned Document Am Chestnut trees Guy: This is the letter we used to allow the trees to be planted.... As we discussed yesterday. Tom C -----Original Message----- From: Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:04 PM To: Chamberland, Thomas A NAE Subject: Scanned Document Please see the attached document. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps Susan and Gerry Cormier would know more, or Charlotte. -----Original Message----- From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org on behalf of Jamie Donalds Sent: Sun 8/16/2009 2:11 PM To: Guy Sheapard Cc: orchard mgrlist Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Fwd: Scanned Document Am Chestnut trees Guy, I 'm not aware of this orchard. Does anybody have any additional info?? -Jamie --- On Sun, 8/16/09, tsuga35 at aol.com wrote: From: tsuga35 at aol.com Subject: Fwd: Scanned Document Am Chestnut trees To: n1djb at yahoo.com Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 12:19 PM Jammie, ? met this gentleman at a meeting, according to him, the Army Corp. is taking care of this orchard, Do we know about this orchard, he says he has not heard form any one in years, but is will in to work with us and has unlimited land. Guy -----Original Message----- From: Chamberland, Thomas A NAE To: tsuga35 at aol.com Sent: Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:10 pm Subject: FW: Scanned Document Am Chestnut trees Guy: This is the letter we used to allow the trees to be planted.... As we discussed yesterday. Tom C -----Original Message----- From: Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:04 PM To: Chamberland, Thomas A NAE Subject: Scanned Document Please see the attached document. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3483 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mrsgale.fates.org/pipermail/masschestnutorchards/attachments/20090816/8cd8a0d1/attachment.bin From rufin at charter.net Sun Aug 16 17:11:52 2009 From: rufin at charter.net (rufin at charter.net) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:11:52 -0400 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Fwd: Scanned Document Am Chestnut trees In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090816171152.DG86U.3616489.root@mp07> Dave Uguccioni had some chestnuts planted on property owned by his partner. Some of the earlyest pollinations were on these trees. I believe Dave and his partner had a falling out and Dave no longer had access to the property. Dave planted trees on Army Corps property. I visited it with Dave once. The orchard was not planted according to TACF requirments as I recall. Rufin ---- "Federowicz wrote: > Hmm, did Dave U. do the contacts originally? Perhaps Susan and Gerry Cormier would know more, or Charlotte. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org on behalf of Jamie Donalds > Sent: Sun 8/16/2009 2:11 PM > To: Guy Sheapard > Cc: orchard mgrlist > Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Fwd: Scanned Document Am Chestnut trees > > Guy, > I 'm not aware of this orchard. > Does anybody have any additional info?? > -Jamie > > > --- On Sun, 8/16/09, tsuga35 at aol.com wrote: > > > From: tsuga35 at aol.com > Subject: Fwd: Scanned Document Am Chestnut trees > To: n1djb at yahoo.com > Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 12:19 PM > > > > Jammie, > ? met this gentleman at a meeting, according to him, the Army Corp. is taking care of this orchard, Do we know about this orchard, he says he has not heard form any one in years, but is will in to work with us and has unlimited land. > Guy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chamberland, Thomas A NAE > To: tsuga35 at aol.com > Sent: Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:10 pm > Subject: FW: Scanned Document Am Chestnut trees > > > Guy: This is the letter we used to allow the trees to be planted.... As we > discussed yesterday. > > Tom C > > -----Original Message----- > From: > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:04 PM > To: Chamberland, Thomas A NAE > Subject: Scanned Document > > Please see the attached document. > > > > > > From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu Thu Aug 20 17:59:52 2009 From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Yvonne Federowicz) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:59:52 -0400 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] FW: matacf minutes aug. 2009 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: **************************************************************************** ************************ * * MATACF Morning Growers Meeting 8/2/2009 Brian Clark's Farmhouse, Ashfield, MA * **************************************************************************** ************************ Present: Rufin Van Bossuyt, Charlotte Zampini, Mike Novack, Brian Clark, Rich Hoffman, Bruce Spencer, Jaime Donalds, John Emery, Brad Smith, Mike Meixsell, Guy Shephard, Lois & Denis Melican Ruth Anderson, Mr. Anderson F1s are doing well in various place Some have gone to SKLT, Glocester, Yvonne's yard temporarily Controls went to SK. Rufin planted short Nanking line at Dartmouth. Dartmouth is having trouble Riverbend may have gravel underneath, having trouble in areas Exeter line went there. Doing well, dug holes. Westerly still needs seedlings planted Pollinations: YF did Exeter & E Greenwich Nanking, Exeter & Glocester -Clapper John Emery did several also Brain Clark did a great job on the large Conway tree There is still an issue on how we can get the nuts ? Board meeting issue on money expenditures Charlotte has agrifos/Pentrabark mix. Mix it just before use, wet bark completely. Becomes systemic. Inoculations done in June ? did 200-250 trees ? had two four-person crews, that part worked well. Was a big job though. Pre-chosen trees ? that was important. (flagging) with labels Borer & marker, inoculator, taper, and recorder Put two sets of holes in a few trees. That would make for a bigger task though. We moved fast, was fairly tiring. Rufin: early Medway ones are gettings much larger. All the moisture has enabled many to put on 2-4 feet of growth, with no fertilizer. We would like more feedback from Kendra about what we are judging on before we rogue things out. John Emery: EP inoculation sites are about 10% smaller than the other... Could have been condition of the inoculant. Diameter of colony shouldn't matter. They do a snapshot approach on judging inoculation sites. Jamie & Charlotte: Orchard reports needed by September 15th. Easier in the autumn to measure. National would like the data for the annual meeting but Charlotte needs to compile them. We aren't all in National's standardized format yet... Stirling has no orchard manager at the moment. Two people is better. All F1s distributed this year were Upton x Fitzburg ? KJ1. Under 10 feet ? measure height Over 10 feet ? estimate and caliper SK/MG orchard doing well Glocester needs its pump ordered Westerly ? additional irrigation equipment delivered yesterday Brian Pistolese ? 1991 TACF Might need calcium ? Mike N. Soil test very important Yvonne will ask the Master Gardeners Scrubby white oaks there are also fairly short Rufin: orchard maintenance lots of effort has gone into pollinating and planting difficult when people have moved Conway and Stirling were left without managers for a while Lancaster also Stockbridge Craig Moffit has back problems Lots goes into pollinating and getting orchard established Mike M. isn't that a function of orchard location? Roving crew could help Can we get Kendra involved with the roving orchard maintenance? CT, VT, NH have been utilizing Kendra's time a lot Getting crews out to do maintenance is harder Making sure that each orchard has a monitor/manager A lot of the work doesn't take much time Can Kendra help organize a work day? Bring out food etc. An intern next year could be good. Next year pollinations: One for John Emery's in Nankin Possibly another for SK? Others? May do one or two more if we have good partners Yvonne: suggested that new orchards be vetted partly on their availability of people to help rather than just land. Jamie: we need people to look at what we have, it's difficult Letting people know when you have help important Can we assign Stockbridge to Kendra? Jamie will talk to Kendra about Stockbridge Kathy: Vincent Hebert Arboretum interested ? lots of foresters available but need to know what to do Organic mulches for Stockbridge Yvonne will get name of organic fertilizer she used on blueberries Mike N.: our ?development? is different from many nonprofits ? it's person -time Trustees of Reservations contact ? can they adopt an orchard? Lois: We should make a simple document to organize all the summer tasks and share it Next summer is lots of inoculations: Elder Hostel? Earthwatch? Charlotte and Lois will work on the Earthwatch. Trustees of Reservations ? how can we move that along? Guy is involved in his local TR group. We haven't heard back from the Mount Gracie person. Anne Myers had contacted TR but nothing developed ? they are active inareas slightly different from us. Guy will try to make some contacts and get back to Jamie. Deer repellants tbd. Seed Orchard DCR has been pro-seed orchard ? Lois and Denis. A MOU is underway but still in the works This is about the large seed orchard at Moore State Park. They would send us a MOU Denis: chestnut chocolate ice cream was made... it went over very well with the DCR personnel Ben & Jerry's should have a chestnut ice cream flavor... Denis has promised us all some at our annual meeting... Mt.Gracie might be willing to do an easement for a long-term seed orchard also Mike Novack has volunteered land Charlotte: excellent fields near Wachusett Reservoir Large open fields DCR land also Existing orchards can be reused as a single ?block? for seed orchards Seed orchard maintenance will be different Once selected, they just get to grow Initially will be very close together Need water access or truck Water buffalo not big enough for DCR spot? There is a well in the field nearby Mike Novack's area has plenty of water available ? stream that never dries, several springs Need soil testing done on area ? Bruce Spencer soil structure too Lois and Denis will get a comprehensive soil test done John Emery: should we plow/treat in advance? John Meiklejohn did plowing and it helped a lot Next year we could be doing crosses for the seed orchard, then plant in 2011 Do some test plantings, soil testings, irrigation, etc. next spring - **************************************************************************** ************************ * * Afternoon Board Meeting 1:25pm Brian Clark's Farmhouse, Ashfield, MA * **************************************************************************** ************************ Board Members Present: Jamie Donalds, John Emery, Brad Smith, Mike Meixsell, Guy Shepard, Lois Melican, Denis Melican, Kathy Desjardin, Yvonne Federowicz, Rufin Van Bossuyt, Charlotte Zampini, Mike Novak, Rich Hoffman, Brian Clark, John Mirick Guests present: Ruth Anderson, David Anderson, Barbara Clark Graves, Susan Clark, Penny Novack, Phil Ewnip(sp?) curator of birds and mammals at San Diego Natural History Museum, Nelson Cawkins an original MATACF charter member, Bruce Cawkins his son, Judy Hoffman Brian Clark says farm has been in family since grandfather bought it in 1886 Original farmhouse was up the hill In the 1920s they added a second floor Was dairy and apples, now just apples Chestnut orchard is up road,Hawley orchard is on another piece of their land. They have about 70 acres of apple trees - Tens of thousands of trees Trees have gone in over several decades Apples are the commercial crop. Whole Foods and Trader Joe's main markets. They use IPM * Treasurer's Update Mike No funds restricted right now Normally this time of year we'd be negative ? shows that we haven't spent as much on orchard supplies this year. Rich Hoffman: he never gets notified if his donations to our chapter thru National actually get to us. Mike N. does get that. No one has asked him to verify that independently that we have the money in the account? he will. Organizations should periodically verify this by more than just Mike. * Jamie: we will ask Mike N. to bring in a bank statement to verify. Also members can send Mike note via email and he can verify that we received the donation directly to chapter **************************************************************************** * * Motion: approve Treasurer's Report: Mike M., seconded Brad. approved unanimously. **************************************************************************** * * Secretary?s Report: Kathy: Membership is 337 members. Contacts: reports of possible mother trees, forwards to Charlotte and Rufin. At the ISA Fair we had a ?Learning Box? from National, it was very nice Kathy renewed our mailing permit. **************************************************************************** * * Motion to Approve minutes from last time ? Brad, seconded Jamie. Approved unanimously. **************************************************************************** * Our membership is down slightly. It fluctuates a bit. Economy is bad. Kathy receDonations over $250 in a year require a special letter from the donee. kathy will ask National how this works. We need at least 1/3 of our support to come from the general public. Executive Committee ? how does this work? Jamie ? usually officers plus one at large. Jamie will use the Committee:Mike Novack suggests $1000 as the limit. Executive Committee is 4 officers plus past presidents. **************************************************************************** * * Motion: A phone bridge will be usable for Executive Committee Votes; * expenditures will not exceed $1000. **************************************************************************** * Board of Directors should be notified when we decide to spend any money this way by the next Quarterly Board Meeting via Email and then a report at the meeting. Mike Novack. seconded by Rufin. Approved unanimously Tower Hill event: 25 year anniversary honoring John ?. Brad: let's give a plaque from Guy with an inscription NC Newsletter has an article about a scientist who worked with Dr. Graves, in Berkshires. Jamie and Brad will work on covering the Tower Hill event. The ongoing saga of the weedwhacker... Guy will donate a good steel weedwhacker to the chapter. Everyone thanked Guy. Chapter reimbursement for Jamie's travel. **************************************************************************** * * Motion: cover Jamie's autumn meeting National TACF travel not to exceed $400. Guy. * Seconded: John Mirick. Approved unanimously **************************************************************************** * We should plan for this to be in the budget and not approve it on a case-by-case basis ? John Mirick. Mike N. - we will be getting into a period of significant fluctuation. John M. - usually in nonprofits budget is approved in advance, Executive Committee can then go ahead and spend it as long as it does not exceed this. Annual Meeting ? Location and Speaker Asian Longhorn Beetle? Guy volunteered to find us a speaker. Rufin: oaks and beech are not preferred ALB hosts. Federal people have mentioned chestnut but they could be meaning horse chestnut. New National CEO could come ? Rufin? Perhaps next year after he settles in more Lois ? Collin Novick is a very good ALB person from near Worcester. He is very interested in chestnut. National Grid facility in Worcester a possibility. Guy will look into the spot. Brad ? we could also connect with other beetle groups. Clint Neal also is with USDA ? came to speak on ALB. Newcomer sessions at Annual Meeting ? how elaborate should it be? The Learning Box works well for that. Brad wouldn't mind making up an introductory slide show and bring people up to speed quickly, early on. 15 minutes before the meeting starts, Brad will hold this. Opportunity for questions. Also a section: where we need help. **************************************************************************** * * Annual Meeting Date: Tentative is November 15th if this works for the venue. **************************************************************************** * Kendra: not present. Rhode Island: SKLT: John Mirick to get them a modified Germplasm agreement? Yvonne has the basic one. Westerly needs assistance (see morning minutes) Has new orchard manager, Brian Pistolese. Will be getting soil tests, etc. Seed Orchard Development John Mirick & John Meiklejohn. Very difficult to bind municipalities. Private land can be difficult to obtain 30-year commitment on. MOUs get something into municipalities but still can't bind the public. Easement agreements for existing orchards. Deeded easement vs. deed. Landowners might want a charitable donation and deed property over. They would get fair market value deduction. Deeded easement gives lower tax deduction,. (John Mirick) Would want access to water and a few other similar things. Particular situations would differ. John Mirick: at end of 30 years, what do we want with the trees and land? Logs? Land donations: we might be stuck with taxes to pay John Mirick: getting a financial aid to people donating use of lands is good In a perfect world, what would we want from landowners? What is the minimum we can accept? **************************************************************************** ***************************** Everyone: email John Mirick & Meiklejohn answers to those questions. They will put together a report for the next meeting. **************************************************************************** ***************************** Lois & Denis will forward anything from DCR to Jamie. An electrician friend of D&L have put in solar-powered deer fencing. Brian: solar fencing has been very reliable for them, more so than regular Leo Miller ? Friend of Melicans Rufin: Norcross Foundation has donated to the CT chapter, perhaps we can get something from them as well Mike N: materials need to last 30 years Jamie: try to get donations Trustees of Reservations Rufin: Trustees were interested in having a seed orchard in Munson but smallish, better for demo orchard. however they do have a field that is overgrown, needs work on invasives. Not sure about irrigation. Mike N.: Demonstration orchards vs. 4-blocks sizes ? less than 100 by 100 feet ? can be put in. Rufin will look into site again ? would need to be investigated for next summer. Josh from Trustees of Reservations Charlotte ? orchard report John Emery and Yvonne did pollinations We will have several inoculations to do next summer ?Trees in the Urban Landscape? - Lois ? would like Chestnut Foundation to do presentation ? Elm tree is part of it, can chestnuts be part of this? That is 2 days before our annual meeting. Who can take the day off work... Lois will find out the time. ISA (International Society ... Arboriculture) Meeting: We put together a table with display, talked to many people. Rufin, Kathy, Yvonne, Guy - canopy, Learning Box from National helped quite a bit. Lots of spontaneous conversations. Tree Climbing competitions. Tour de Trees Different groups donated a great deal of money for research and scholarships. Hazelnuts also will have to be crossbred to make resistant European hazelnuts to an American disease. Rutgers and Oregon State have a breeding program. Spring National Board Meeting: proposal to have regional representative on Board instead of States. Possibility of valid points with ?greenness? of some Presidents going in. Jamie wanted continued Chapter representation but not necessarily Presidents. Mike N.: might be best to let Chapters decide. Might want President or might want other. Some people thought Board was too large and too green. Some Chapters elect a President for one year. Susan Cormier had suggested that President can appoint someone to represent chapter to National meeting. ISA has 37 chapters. Each chapter elects a President and a delegate to National. Rufin: make terms at least three years on National representation Some people are ?at-large? members Bennington Office being closed at end of year. Asheville is new place. Unknown if Daphne to continue. Orchard Signs finally all done! Paid for, etc. Elections: Is Frank Howard still on the Board? Yvonne will email who is going to be over their term limits, who is up for elections etc. Would Dave Anderson like to be a Board member? Lives in Lancaster. Jamie will give him a call. Denis: fall fundraiser at Moore State Park. What if it raised funds for MATACF? Seed Orchard? Mid-October? Get a resistant chestnut for Governor of MA to plant next spring? media event. Denis & Lois did an excellent paper on chestnut for their class at the Landscape Institute, passed them out. Might grow into a harvest festival with chestnuts in a few decades Please email Denis and Lois if you would like to work on this Autumn Meeting: Let's shorten the growers meeting 1 hour for the autumn grower's meeting Start at 1 pm -> 4pm October 3rd 1pm-4pm Possibly Riverbend TACF President is offering Legacy Trees ? 25 seedlings Adjourned 4:22 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mrsgale.fates.org/pipermail/masschestnutorchards/attachments/20090820/7413c729/attachment.html From kendra at acf.org Fri Aug 21 10:09:15 2009 From: kendra at acf.org (Kendra Gurney) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:09:15 -0400 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] FW: matacf minutes aug. 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002401ca2268$fb3c59e0$f1b50da0$@org> Hi All ? I read through the mins and looks like there were a few questions for me. I plan to make the Oct 3rd meeting, but will try to respond briefly here. Selections and Rogueing ? Selections are made in a couple steps. A first round of canker ratings in the fall after inoculation should identify about ? the trees that don?t have the resistance we are looking for. These can be rogued out, and now that I?m better trained on selections I should be able to get that data to you more quickly. Then the following summer (ideally before trees flower) we rate cankers again. Of those that rate the best for resistance, we then look at morphological traits and choose the most resistant and American-looking trees in each line. We will probably keep the best two or three trees from a line in the orchard and let them cross. Everything else will get rogued at this point. My understanding is that after the first year or so canker expansion is more closely tied to environment than genetic resistance, so we want to get these ratings done in the first full year and then trust the data. My one concern for how this will play out in the MA orchards is that it seems there are lines duplicated in more than one location. This will make things a little trickier, but I?ll work with Fred and Sara to come up with a good approach. Data ? Yvonne and John ? please send me your pollination data. I attached the form I use, so please fill it in while the details are fairly fresh and send it my way. I should have the tree codes, so don?t worry if you don?t have that, but pollen used and all the bagging and pollination info would be great. And yes, we need to get all the orchard data into the ?standard? format. I?m happy to help folks with this, and have been plugging away at some of it myself. We can talk more about this is October, but I would be thrilled to see more updated data, especially for the orchards. (Wow ? that makes me sound really boring!) Orchard Maintenance ? I?m always happy to help organize orchard work days. You just need to let me know if you need help that a work crew would be good for, and we can organize something. August and September are the best times for general maintenance, as I?m usually pretty flat-out from planting through pollinating. But please feel free to ask anytime. I think there was a suggestion for an intern next summer, and realistically if there is a lot of maintenance and upkeep that needs to be done around the state, this would be a good plan. Annual Meeting ? I have the 15th on the calendar and plan to be there. Let me know if there is anything I can help with or you would like me to present. I visited the SKLT orchard while I was at ISA last month (great job with the Arbor Fair!) and tentatively planned with Rudi Hempe to give a talk to the local groups involved with that orchard sometime in November. Please keep me posted as the plans for the Annual Meeting firm up, as I would like to plan with Rudi around this date. Best to all ? Kendra Kendra Gurney The American Chestnut Foundation? New England Regional Science Coordinator USFS Northern Research Station 705 Spear Street South Burlington, VT 05403 Tel: 802.951.6771 x1350 Fax: 802.951.6368 Cell: 802.999.8706 Kendra at acf.org or kgurney at uvm.edu From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Yvonne Federowicz Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:00 PM To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] FW: matacf minutes aug. 2009 **************************************************************************************************** * * MATACF Morning Growers Meeting 8/2/2009 Brian Clark's Farmhouse, Ashfield, MA * **************************************************************************************************** Present: Rufin Van Bossuyt, Charlotte Zampini, Mike Novack, Brian Clark, Rich Hoffman, Bruce Spencer, Jaime Donalds, John Emery, Brad Smith, Mike Meixsell, Guy Shephard, Lois & Denis Melican Ruth Anderson, Mr. Anderson F1s are doing well in various place Some have gone to SKLT, Glocester, Yvonne's yard temporarily Controls went to SK. Rufin planted short Nanking line at Dartmouth. Dartmouth is having trouble Riverbend may have gravel underneath, having trouble in areas Exeter line went there. Doing well, dug holes. Westerly still needs seedlings planted Pollinations: YF did Exeter & E Greenwich Nanking, Exeter & Glocester -Clapper John Emery did several also Brain Clark did a great job on the large Conway tree There is still an issue on how we can get the nuts ? Board meeting issue on money expenditures Charlotte has agrifos/Pentrabark mix. Mix it just before use, wet bark completely. Becomes systemic. Inoculations done in June ? did 200-250 trees ? had two four-person crews, that part worked well. Was a big job though. Pre-chosen trees ? that was important. (flagging) with labels Borer & marker, inoculator, taper, and recorder Put two sets of holes in a few trees. That would make for a bigger task though. We moved fast, was fairly tiring. Rufin: early Medway ones are gettings much larger. All the moisture has enabled many to put on 2-4 feet of growth, with no fertilizer. We would like more feedback from Kendra about what we are judging on before we rogue things out. John Emery: EP inoculation sites are about 10% smaller than the other... Could have been condition of the inoculant. Diameter of colony shouldn't matter. They do a snapshot approach on judging inoculation sites. Jamie & Charlotte: Orchard reports needed by September 15th. Easier in the autumn to measure. National would like the data for the annual meeting but Charlotte needs to compile them. We aren't all in National's standardized format yet... Stirling has no orchard manager at the moment. Two people is better. All F1s distributed this year were Upton x Fitzburg ? KJ1. Under 10 feet ? measure height Over 10 feet ? estimate and caliper SK/MG orchard doing well Glocester needs its pump ordered Westerly ? additional irrigation equipment delivered yesterday Brian Pistolese ? 1991 TACF Might need calcium ? Mike N. Soil test very important Yvonne will ask the Master Gardeners Scrubby white oaks there are also fairly short Rufin: orchard maintenance lots of effort has gone into pollinating and planting difficult when people have moved Conway and Stirling were left without managers for a while Lancaster also Stockbridge Craig Moffit has back problems Lots goes into pollinating and getting orchard established Mike M. isn't that a function of orchard location? Roving crew could help Can we get Kendra involved with the roving orchard maintenance? CT, VT, NH have been utilizing Kendra's time a lot Getting crews out to do maintenance is harder Making sure that each orchard has a monitor/manager A lot of the work doesn't take much time Can Kendra help organize a work day? Bring out food etc. An intern next year could be good. Next year pollinations: One for John Emery's in Nankin Possibly another for SK? Others? May do one or two more if we have good partners Yvonne: suggested that new orchards be vetted partly on their availability of people to help rather than just land. Jamie: we need people to look at what we have, it's difficult Letting people know when you have help important Can we assign Stockbridge to Kendra? Jamie will talk to Kendra about Stockbridge Kathy: Vincent Hebert Arboretum interested ? lots of foresters available but need to know what to do Organic mulches for Stockbridge Yvonne will get name of organic fertilizer she used on blueberries Mike N.: our ?development? is different from many nonprofits ? it's person -time Trustees of Reservations contact ? can they adopt an orchard? Lois: We should make a simple document to organize all the summer tasks and share it Next summer is lots of inoculations: Elder Hostel? Earthwatch? Charlotte and Lois will work on the Earthwatch. Trustees of Reservations ? how can we move that along? Guy is involved in his local TR group. We haven't heard back from the Mount Gracie person. Anne Myers had contacted TR but nothing developed ? they are active inareas slightly different from us. Guy will try to make some contacts and get back to Jamie. Deer repellants tbd. Seed Orchard DCR has been pro-seed orchard ? Lois and Denis. A MOU is underway but still in the works This is about the large seed orchard at Moore State Park. They would send us a MOU Denis: chestnut chocolate ice cream was made... it went over very well with the DCR personnel Ben & Jerry's should have a chestnut ice cream flavor... Denis has promised us all some at our annual meeting... Mt.Gracie might be willing to do an easement for a long-term seed orchard also Mike Novack has volunteered land Charlotte: excellent fields near Wachusett Reservoir Large open fields DCR land also Existing orchards can be reused as a single ?block? for seed orchards Seed orchard maintenance will be different Once selected, they just get to grow Initially will be very close together Need water access or truck Water buffalo not big enough for DCR spot? There is a well in the field nearby Mike Novack's area has plenty of water available ? stream that never dries, several springs Need soil testing done on area ? Bruce Spencer soil structure too Lois and Denis will get a comprehensive soil test done John Emery: should we plow/treat in advance? John Meiklejohn did plowing and it helped a lot Next year we could be doing crosses for the seed orchard, then plant in 2011 Do some test plantings, soil testings, irrigation, etc. next spring - **************************************************************************************************** * * Afternoon Board Meeting 1:25pm Brian Clark's Farmhouse, Ashfield, MA * **************************************************************************************************** Board Members Present: Jamie Donalds, John Emery, Brad Smith, Mike Meixsell, Guy Shepard, Lois Melican, Denis Melican, Kathy Desjardin, Yvonne Federowicz, Rufin Van Bossuyt, Charlotte Zampini, Mike Novak, Rich Hoffman, Brian Clark, John Mirick Guests present: Ruth Anderson, David Anderson, Barbara Clark Graves, Susan Clark, Penny Novack, Phil Ewnip(sp?) curator of birds and mammals at San Diego Natural History Museum, Nelson Cawkins an original MATACF charter member, Bruce Cawkins his son, Judy Hoffman Brian Clark says farm has been in family since grandfather bought it in 1886 Original farmhouse was up the hill In the 1920s they added a second floor Was dairy and apples, now just apples Chestnut orchard is up road,Hawley orchard is on another piece of their land. They have about 70 acres of apple trees - Tens of thousands of trees Trees have gone in over several decades Apples are the commercial crop. Whole Foods and Trader Joe's main markets. They use IPM * Treasurer's Update Mike No funds restricted right now Normally this time of year we'd be negative ? shows that we haven't spent as much on orchard supplies this year. Rich Hoffman: he never gets notified if his donations to our chapter thru National actually get to us. Mike N. does get that. No one has asked him to verify that independently that we have the money in the account? he will. Organizations should periodically verify this by more than just Mike. * Jamie: we will ask Mike N. to bring in a bank statement to verify. Also members can send Mike note via email and he can verify that we received the donation directly to chapter ***************************************************************************** * Motion: approve Treasurer's Report: Mike M., seconded Brad. approved unanimously. ***************************************************************************** * Secretary?s Report: Kathy: Membership is 337 members. Contacts: reports of possible mother trees, forwards to Charlotte and Rufin. At the ISA Fair we had a ?Learning Box? from National, it was very nice Kathy renewed our mailing permit. ***************************************************************************** * Motion to Approve minutes from last time ? Brad, seconded Jamie. Approved unanimously. ***************************************************************************** Our membership is down slightly. It fluctuates a bit. Economy is bad. Kathy receDonations over $250 in a year require a special letter from the donee. kathy will ask National how this works. We need at least 1/3 of our support to come from the general public. Executive Committee ? how does this work? Jamie ? usually officers plus one at large. Jamie will use the Committee:Mike Novack suggests $1000 as the limit. Executive Committee is 4 officers plus past presidents. ***************************************************************************** * Motion: A phone bridge will be usable for Executive Committee Votes; * expenditures will not exceed $1000. ***************************************************************************** Board of Directors should be notified when we decide to spend any money this way by the next Quarterly Board Meeting via Email and then a report at the meeting. Mike Novack. seconded by Rufin. Approved unanimously Tower Hill event: 25 year anniversary honoring John ?. Brad: let's give a plaque from Guy with an inscription NC Newsletter has an article about a scientist who worked with Dr. Graves, in Berkshires. Jamie and Brad will work on covering the Tower Hill event. The ongoing saga of the weedwhacker... Guy will donate a good steel weedwhacker to the chapter. Everyone thanked Guy. Chapter reimbursement for Jamie's travel. ***************************************************************************** * Motion: cover Jamie's autumn meeting National TACF travel not to exceed $400. Guy. * Seconded: John Mirick. Approved unanimously ***************************************************************************** We should plan for this to be in the budget and not approve it on a case-by-case basis ? John Mirick. Mike N. - we will be getting into a period of significant fluctuation. John M. - usually in nonprofits budget is approved in advance, Executive Committee can then go ahead and spend it as long as it does not exceed this. Annual Meeting ? Location and Speaker Asian Longhorn Beetle? Guy volunteered to find us a speaker. Rufin: oaks and beech are not preferred ALB hosts. Federal people have mentioned chestnut but they could be meaning horse chestnut. New National CEO could come ? Rufin? Perhaps next year after he settles in more Lois ? Collin Novick is a very good ALB person from near Worcester. He is very interested in chestnut. National Grid facility in Worcester a possibility. Guy will look into the spot. Brad ? we could also connect with other beetle groups. Clint Neal also is with USDA ? came to speak on ALB. Newcomer sessions at Annual Meeting ? how elaborate should it be? The Learning Box works well for that. Brad wouldn't mind making up an introductory slide show and bring people up to speed quickly, early on. 15 minutes before the meeting starts, Brad will hold this. Opportunity for questions. Also a section: where we need help. ***************************************************************************** * Annual Meeting Date: Tentative is November 15th if this works for the venue. ***************************************************************************** Kendra: not present. Rhode Island: SKLT: John Mirick to get them a modified Germplasm agreement? Yvonne has the basic one. Westerly needs assistance (see morning minutes) Has new orchard manager, Brian Pistolese. Will be getting soil tests, etc. Seed Orchard Development John Mirick & John Meiklejohn. Very difficult to bind municipalities. Private land can be difficult to obtain 30-year commitment on. MOUs get something into municipalities but still can't bind the public. Easement agreements for existing orchards. Deeded easement vs. deed. Landowners might want a charitable donation and deed property over. They would get fair market value deduction. Deeded easement gives lower tax deduction,. (John Mirick) Would want access to water and a few other similar things. Particular situations would differ. John Mirick: at end of 30 years, what do we want with the trees and land? Logs? Land donations: we might be stuck with taxes to pay John Mirick: getting a financial aid to people donating use of lands is good In a perfect world, what would we want from landowners? What is the minimum we can accept? ********************************************************************************************************* Everyone: email John Mirick & Meiklejohn answers to those questions. They will put together a report for the next meeting. ********************************************************************************************************* Lois & Denis will forward anything from DCR to Jamie. An electrician friend of D&L have put in solar-powered deer fencing. Brian: solar fencing has been very reliable for them, more so than regular Leo Miller ? Friend of Melicans Rufin: Norcross Foundation has donated to the CT chapter, perhaps we can get something from them as well Mike N: materials need to last 30 years Jamie: try to get donations Trustees of Reservations Rufin: Trustees were interested in having a seed orchard in Munson but smallish, better for demo orchard. however they do have a field that is overgrown, needs work on invasives. Not sure about irrigation. Mike N.: Demonstration orchards vs. 4-blocks sizes ? less than 100 by 100 feet ? can be put in. Rufin will look into site again ? would need to be investigated for next summer. Josh from Trustees of Reservations Charlotte ? orchard report John Emery and Yvonne did pollinations We will have several inoculations to do next summer ?Trees in the Urban Landscape? - Lois ? would like Chestnut Foundation to do presentation ? Elm tree is part of it, can chestnuts be part of this? That is 2 days before our annual meeting. Who can take the day off work... Lois will find out the time. ISA (International Society ... Arboriculture) Meeting: We put together a table with display, talked to many people. Rufin, Kathy, Yvonne, Guy - canopy, Learning Box from National helped quite a bit. Lots of spontaneous conversations. Tree Climbing competitions. Tour de Trees Different groups donated a great deal of money for research and scholarships. Hazelnuts also will have to be crossbred to make resistant European hazelnuts to an American disease. Rutgers and Oregon State have a breeding program. Spring National Board Meeting: proposal to have regional representative on Board instead of States. Possibility of valid points with ?greenness? of some Presidents going in. Jamie wanted continued Chapter representation but not necessarily Presidents. Mike N.: might be best to let Chapters decide. Might want President or might want other. Some people thought Board was too large and too green. Some Chapters elect a President for one year. Susan Cormier had suggested that President can appoint someone to represent chapter to National meeting. ISA has 37 chapters. Each chapter elects a President and a delegate to National. Rufin: make terms at least three years on National representation Some people are ?at-large? members Bennington Office being closed at end of year. Asheville is new place. Unknown if Daphne to continue. Orchard Signs finally all done! Paid for, etc. Elections: Is Frank Howard still on the Board? Yvonne will email who is going to be over their term limits, who is up for elections etc. Would Dave Anderson like to be a Board member? Lives in Lancaster. Jamie will give him a call. Denis: fall fundraiser at Moore State Park. What if it raised funds for MATACF? Seed Orchard? Mid-October? Get a resistant chestnut for Governor of MA to plant next spring? media event. Denis & Lois did an excellent paper on chestnut for their class at the Landscape Institute, passed them out. Might grow into a harvest festival with chestnuts in a few decades Please email Denis and Lois if you would like to work on this Autumn Meeting: Let's shorten the growers meeting 1 hour for the autumn grower's meeting Start at 1 pm -> 4pm October 3rd 1pm-4pm Possibly Riverbend TACF President is offering Legacy Trees ? 25 seedlings Adjourned 4:22 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mrsgale.fates.org/pipermail/masschestnutorchards/attachments/20090821/16261af5/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Report - Pollination form.xls Type: application/vnd.ms-excel Size: 24064 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mrsgale.fates.org/pipermail/masschestnutorchards/attachments/20090821/16261af5/attachment-0001.xls From johnviolin7 at aol.com Fri Aug 21 21:27:48 2009 From: johnviolin7 at aol.com (johnviolin7 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:27:48 -0400 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] FW: matacf minutes aug. 2009 In-Reply-To: <002401ca2268$fb3c59e0$f1b50da0$@org> References: <002401ca2268$fb3c59e0$f1b50da0$@org> Message-ID: <8CBF0DEE49E0316-A2C-164C2@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> Kendra, It is unclear to me why we would not try to select the best of the BC's at both duplicate orchards of which there are many pairs. I would like to know why such an arrangement would not actually cut down on inbreeding by adding greater diversity. For example, two of my Lincoln lines are replicated at Hawley. Why shouldn't some of our F2 nuts from these Chelmsford and Topsfield lines come from crosses in both places involving these lines? The alternative would be for Lincoln to wait two years for Hawley to catch up. I really don't see the point. I will get the pollination data to you as soon as possible. I am aware of the need to, but stressed for time, as I have been putting in at least 15 hours of orchard work a week all summer and often more. If I were being paid for my work I'd be rich! -----Original Message----- From: Kendra Gurney To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2009 10:09 am Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] FW: matacf minutes aug. 2009 Hi All ? ? I read through the mins and looks like there were a few questions for me.? I plan to make the Oct 3rd meeting, but will try to respond briefly here.? ? Selections and Rogueing ? ? Selections are made in a couple steps.? A first round of canker ratings in the fall after inoculation should ide ntify about ? the trees that don?t have the resistance we are looking for.? These can be rogued out, and now that I?m better trained on selections I should be able to get that data to you more quickly.? Then the following summer (ideally before trees flower) we rate cankers again.? Of those that rate the best for resistance, we then look at morphological traits and choose the most resistant and American-looking trees in each line.? We will probably keep the best two or three trees from a line in the orchard and let them cross.? Everything else will get rogued at this point.? My understanding is that after the first year or so canker expansion is more closely tied to environment than genetic resistance, so we want to get these ratings done in the first full year and then trust the data.? My one concern for how this will play out in the MA orchards is that it seems there are lines duplicated in more than one location. ?This will make things a little trickier, but I?ll work with Fred and Sara to come up with a good approach. ? Data ? ? Yvonne and John ? please send me your pollination data.? I attached the form I use, so please fill it in while the details are fairly fresh and send it my way.? I should have the tree codes, so don?t worry if you don?t have that, but pollen used a nd all the bagging and pollination info would be great. ? And yes, we need to get all the orchard data into the ?standard? format.? I?m happy to help folks with this, and have been plugging away at some of it myself.? We can talk more about this is October, but I would be thrilled to see more updated data, especially for the orchards.? (Wow ? that makes me sound really boring!) ? Orchard Maintenance ? ? I?m always happy to help organize orchard work days.? You just need to let me know if you need help that a work crew would be good for, and we can organize something.? August and September are the best times for general maintenance, as I?m usually pretty flat-out from planting through pollinating. ?But please feel free to ask anytime.? ?I think there was a suggestion for an intern next summer, and realistically if there is a lot of maintenance and upkeep that needs to be done around the state, this would be a good plan. ? ? Annual Meeting ? ? I have the 15th on the calendar and plan to be there.? Let me know if there is anything I can help with or you would like me to present.? I visited the SKLT orchard while I was at ISA last month (great job with the Arbor Fair!) and tentatively planned with Rudi Hempe to give a talk to t he local groups involved with that orchard sometime in November.? Please keep me posted as the plans for the Annual Meeting firm up, as I would like to plan with Rudi around this date.? ? Best to all ? ? Kendra ? ? Kendra Gurney The American Chestnut Foundation? New England Regional Science Coordinator USFS Northern Research Station 705 Spear Street South Burlington, VT 05403 Tel: 802.951.6771 x1350 Fax: 802.951.6368 Cell: 802.999.8706 Kendra at acf.org or kgurney at uvm.edu ? ? From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of Yvonne Federowicz Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:00 PM To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] FW: matacf minutes aug. 2009 ? ************************************************************************* *************************** * * ???MATACF Morning Growers Meeting ?8/2/2009 ?Brian Clark's Farmhouse, Ashfield, MA * ************************************************************************* *************************** Present: ?Rufin Van Bossuyt, Charlotte Zampini, Mike Novack, Brian Clark, Rich Hoffman, Bruce Spencer, Jaime Donalds, John Emery, Brad Smith, Mike Meixsell, Guy Shephard, Lois & Denis Melican Ruth Anderson, Mr. Anderson F1s ?are doing well in various place Some have gone to SKLT, Glocester, Yvon ne's yard temporarily Controls went to SK. ?Rufin planted short Nanking line at Dartmouth. Dartmouth is having trouble Riverbend may have gravel underneath, having trouble in areas Exeter line went there. Doing well, dug holes. Westerly still needs seedlings planted Pollinations: YF did Exeter & E Greenwich Nanking, Exeter & Glocester -Clapper John Emery did several also Brain Clark did a great job on the large Conway tree There is still an issue on how we can get the nuts ? Board meeting issue on money expenditures Charlotte has agrifos/Pentrabark mix. ?Mix it just before use, wet bark completely. ?Becomes systemic. Inoculations done in June ? did 200-250 trees ? had two four-person crews, that part worked well. ?Was a big job though. Pre-chosen trees ? that was important. ?(flagging) with labels Borer & marker, inoculator, taper, and recorder Put two sets of holes in a few trees. ?That would make for a bigger task though. We moved fast, was fairly tiring. Rufin: ?early Medway ones are gettings much larger. ?All the moisture has enabled many to put on 2-4 feet of growth, with no fertilizer. We would like more feedback from Kendra ?about what we are judging on before we rogue things out. John Emery: ?EP inoculation sites are about 10% smaller than the other... ?Could have been condition of the inoculant. ?Diameter of colony s houldn't matter. They do a snapshot approach on judging inoculation sites. Jamie & Charlotte: ?Orchard reports needed by September 15th. ?Easier in the autumn to measure. National would like the data for the annual meeting but Charlotte needs to compile them. We aren't all in National's standardized format yet... Stirling has no orchard manager at the moment. ?Two people is better. All F1s distributed this year were Upton x Fitzburg ? KJ1. Under 10 feet ? measure height Over 10 feet ? estimate and caliper SK/MG orchard doing well Glocester needs its pump ordered Westerly ? additional irrigation equipment delivered yesterday Brian Pistolese ? 1991 TACF Might need calcium ? Mike N. Soil test very important Yvonne will ask the Master Gardeners Scrubby white oaks there are also fairly short Rufin: ?orchard maintenance lots of effort has gone into pollinating and planting difficult when people have moved Conway and Stirling were left without managers for a while Lancaster also Stockbridge Craig Moffit has back problems Lots goes into pollinating and getting orchard established Mike M. isn't that a function of orchard location? Roving crew could help Can we get Kendra involved with the roving orchard maintenance? CT, VT, NH have been utilizing Kendra's time a lot Getting crews out to do maintenance is harder Making sure that each orchard h as a monitor/manager A lot of the work doesn't take much time Can Kendra help organize a work day? ?Bring out food etc. An intern next year could be good. Next year pollinations: One for John Emery's in Nankin Possibly another for SK? Others? May do one or two more if we have good partners Yvonne: suggested that new orchards be vetted partly on their availability of people to help rather than just land. Jamie: ?we need people to look at what we have, it's difficult Letting people know when you have help important Can we assign Stockbridge to Kendra? Jamie will talk to Kendra about Stockbridge Kathy: Vincent Hebert Arboretum interested ? lots of foresters available but need to know what to do Organic mulches for Stockbridge Yvonne will get name of organic fertilizer she used on blueberries Mike N.: our ?development? is different from many nonprofits ? it's person -time Trustees of Reservations contact ? can they adopt an orchard? Lois: ?We should make a simple document to organize all the summer tasks and share it Next summer is lots of inoculations: Elder Hostel? ?Earthwatch? Charlotte and Lois will work on the Earthwatch. Trustees of Reservations ? how can we move that along? Guy is involved in his local TR group. We haven't heard back from the Mount Gracie person. Anne Myers had contacted TR but nothing devel oped ? they are active inareas slightly different from us. Guy will try to make some contacts and get back to Jamie. Deer repellants tbd. Seed Orchard DCR has been pro-seed orchard ? Lois and Denis. A MOU is underway but still in the works This is about the large seed orchard at Moore State Park. They would send us a MOU Denis: chestnut chocolate ice cream was made... it went over very well with the DCR personnel Ben & Jerry's should have a chestnut ice cream flavor... Denis has promised us all some at our annual meeting... Mt.Gracie might be willing to do an easement for a long-term seed orchard also Mike Novack has volunteered land Charlotte: excellent fields near Wachusett Reservoir Large open fields DCR land also Existing orchards can be reused as a single ?block? for seed orchards Seed orchard maintenance will be different Once selected, they just get to grow Initially will be very close together Need water access or truck Water buffalo not big enough for DCR spot? There is a well in the field nearby Mike Novack's area has plenty of water available ? stream that never dries, several springs Need soil testing done on area ? Bruce Spencer soil structure too Lois and Denis will get a comprehensive soil test done John Emery: ?should we plow/treat in advance? John Meiklejohn did plowing and it helped a lot Nex t year we could be doing crosses for the seed orchard, then plant in 2011 Do some test plantings, soil testings, irrigation, etc. next spring - ************************************************************************* *************************** * * ?????Afternoon Board Meeting ??1:25pm Brian Clark's Farmhouse, Ashfield, MA * ************************************************************************* *************************** Board Members Present: Jamie Donalds, John Emery, Brad Smith, ?Mike Meixsell, Guy Shepard, Lois Melican, Denis Melican, Kathy Desjardin, Yvonne Federowicz, Rufin Van Bossuyt, Charlotte Zampini, Mike Novak, Rich Hoffman, Brian Clark, John Mirick Guests present: Ruth Anderson, David Anderson, Barbara Clark Graves, Susan Clark, Penny Novack, Phil Ewnip(sp?) curator of birds and mammals at San Diego Natural History Museum, Nelson Cawkins an original MATACF charter member, Bruce Cawkins his son, Judy Hoffman Brian Clark says farm has been in family since grandfather bought it in 1886 ?Original farmhouse was up the hill In the 1920s they added a second floor Was dairy and apples, now just apples Chestnut orchard is up road,Hawley orchard is on another piece of their land. ?They have about 70 acres of apple trees - Tens of thousands of trees Trees have gone in over several decades Apples are the commercial crop. ?Whole Foods and Trader Joe's main markets. They use IPM * Treasurer' s Update Mike No funds restricted right now Normally this time of year we'd be negative ? shows that we haven't spent as much on orchard supplies this year. Rich Hoffman: he never gets notified if his donations to our chapter thru National actually get to us. ?Mike N. does get that. ?No one has asked him to verify that independently that we have the money in the account? he will. Organizations should periodically verify this by more than just Mike. * Jamie: ?we will ask Mike N. to bring in a bank statement to verify. Also members can send Mike note via email and he can verify that we received the donation directly to chapter ************************************************************************* **** * ?Motion: approve Treasurer's Report: Mike M., seconded Brad. ?approved unanimously. ************************************************************************* **** * Secretary?s Report: Kathy: Membership is 337 members. ?Contacts: reports of possible mother trees, forwards to Charlotte and Rufin. At the ISA Fair we had a ?Learning Box? from National, it was very nice Kathy renewed our mailing permit. ************************************************************************* **** * Motion to Approve minutes from last time ? Brad, seconded Jamie. ?Approved unanimously. ************************************************************************* **** Our membership is down slightly. It fluctuates a bit. ?Economy is bad. Kathy receDonations over $250 in a year require a special letter from the donee. ?kathy will ask National how this works. ?We need at least 1/3 of our support to come from the general public. Executive Committee ? how does this work? Jamie ? usually officers plus one at large. Jamie will use the Committee:Mike Novack suggests $1000 as the limit. Executive Committee is 4 officers plus past presidents. ************************************************************************* **** * Motion: A phone bridge will be usable for Executive Committee Votes; * expenditures will not exceed $1000. ************************************************************************* **** Board of Directors should be notified when we decide to spend any money this way by the next Quarterly Board Meeting via Email and then a report at the meeting. ?Mike Novack. seconded by Rufin. Approved unanimously Tower Hill event: ?25 year anniversary honoring John ?. ?Brad: let's give a plaque from Guy with an inscription NC Newsletter has an article about a scientist who worked with Dr. Graves, in Berkshires. Jamie and Brad will work on covering the Tower Hill event. The ongoing saga of the weedwhacker... Guy will donate a good steel weedwhacker to the chapter. Everyone thanked Guy. Chapter reimbursement for Jamie's travel. ************************************************************** *********** **** * Motion: cover Jamie's autumn meeting National TACF travel not to exceed $400. ?Guy. ? * Seconded: John Mirick. Approved unanimously ************************************************************************* **** We should plan for this to be in the budget and not approve it on a case-by-case basis ? John Mirick. Mike N. - we will be getting into a period of significant fluctuation. John M. - usually in nonprofits budget is approved in advance, Executive Committee can then go ahead and spend it as long as it does not exceed ?this. Annual Meeting ? Location and Speaker Asian Longhorn Beetle? Guy volunteered to find us a speaker. ?Rufin: ?oaks and beech are not preferred ALB hosts. Federal people have mentioned chestnut but they could be meaning horse chestnut. New National CEO could come ? Rufin? Perhaps next year after he settles in more Lois ? Collin Novick is a very good ALB person from near Worcester. He is very interested in chestnut. National Grid facility in Worcester a possibility. Guy will look into the spot. ?Brad ? we could also connect with other beetle groups. ?Clint Neal also is with USDA ? came to speak on ALB. Newcomer sessions at Annual Meeting ? how elaborate should it be? The Learning Box works well for that. Brad wouldn't mind making up an introductory slide show and bring people up to speed quickly, early on. 15 minutes before the meeting starts, Brad will hold this. ?Opportunity for questions. Also a section: where we need help. ************************************************************************* **** * Annual Meeting Date: ?Tentative is November 15th if this works for the venue. ************************************************************************* **** Kendra: ?not present. Rhode Island: SKLT: John Mirick to get them a modified Germplasm agreement? ?Yvonne has the basic one. Westerly needs assistance (see morning minutes) Has new orchard manager, Brian Pistolese. ?Will be getting soil tests, etc. Seed Orchard Development John Mirick & John Meiklejohn. ?Very difficult to bind municipalities. ?Private land can be difficult to obtain 30-year commitment on. ?MOUs get something into municipalities but still can't bind the public. Easement agreements for existing orchards. Deeded easement vs. deed. ?Landowners might want a charitable donation and deed property over. ?They would get fair market value deduction. ?Deeded easement gives lower tax deduction,. (John Mirick) Would want access to water and a few other similar things. ?Particular situations would differ. John Mirick: at end of 30 years, what do we want with the trees and land? ?Logs? Land donations: we might be stuck with taxes to pay John Mirick: ?getting a financial aid to people donating use of lands is good In20a perfect world, what would we want from landowners? What is the minimum we can accept? ************************************************************************* ******************************** Everyone: ?email John Mirick & Meiklejohn answers to those questions. They will put together a report for the next meeting. ************************************************************************* ******************************** Lois & Denis will forward anything from DCR to Jamie. An electrician friend of D&L have put in solar-powered deer fencing. Brian: solar fencing has been very reliable for them, more so than regular Leo Miller ? Friend of Melicans Rufin: Norcross Foundation has donated to the CT chapter, perhaps we can get something from them as well Mike N: materials need to last 30 years Jamie: try to get donations Trustees of Reservations Rufin: ?Trustees were interested in having a seed orchard in Munson but smallish, better for demo orchard. ?however they do have a field that is overgrown, needs work on invasives. Not sure about irrigation. Mike N.: Demonstration orchards vs. 4-blocks sizes ? less than 100 by 100 feet ? can be put in. Rufin will look into site again ? would need to be investigated for next summer. ?Josh from Trustees of Reservations Charlotte ? orchard report John Emery and Yvonne did pollinations We will have several inoculations to do next summer ?Trees in the Ur ban Landscape? - Lois ? would like Chestnut Foundation to do presentation ? Elm tree is part of it, can chestnuts be part of this? That is 2 days before our annual meeting. Who can take the day off work... Lois will find out the time. ISA (International Society ... Arboriculture) Meeting: We put together a table with display, talked to many people. Rufin, Kathy, Yvonne, Guy ?- canopy, Learning Box from National helped quite a bit. ?Lots of spontaneous conversations. Tree Climbing competitions. ?Tour de Trees Different groups donated a great deal of money for research and scholarships. Hazelnuts also will have to be crossbred to make resistant European hazelnuts to an American disease. ?Rutgers and Oregon State have a breeding program. Spring National Board Meeting: ?proposal to have regional representative on Board instead of States. ?Possibility of valid points with ?greenness? of some Presidents going in. ?Jamie wanted continued Chapter representation but not necessarily Presidents. Mike N.: ?might be best to let Chapters decide. ?Might want President or might want other. Some people thought Board was too large and too green. ?Some Chapters elect a President for one year. Susan Cormier had suggested that President can appoint someone to represent chapter to National meeting. ISA has 37 chapters. ?Each chapter elects a Presiden t and a delegate to National. Rufin: ?make terms at least three years on National representation Some people are ?at-large? members Bennington Office being closed at end of year. ?Asheville is new place. ?Unknown if Daphne to continue. Orchard Signs finally all done! ?Paid for, etc. Elections: ?Is Frank Howard still on the Board? Yvonne will email who is going to be over their term limits, who is up for elections etc. Would Dave Anderson like to be a Board member? Lives in Lancaster. ?Jamie will give him a call. Denis: fall fundraiser at Moore State Park. ?What if it raised funds for MATACF? ?Seed Orchard? ?Mid-October? ??Get a resistant chestnut for Governor of MA to plant next spring? ?media event. Denis & Lois did an excellent paper on chestnut for their class at the Landscape Institute, passed them out. Might grow into a harvest festival with chestnuts in a few decades Please email Denis and Lois if you would like to work on this Autumn Meeting: ?Let's shorten the growers meeting 1 hour for the autumn grower's meeting Start at 1 pm -> 4pm October 3rd 1pm-4pm Possibly Riverbend TACF President is offering Legacy Trees ? 25 seedlings Adjourned 4:22 _______________________________________________ MassChestnutOrchards mailing list MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org http://mrsga le.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards From stepbystepfarm at mtdata.com Sun Aug 23 15:36:16 2009 From: stepbystepfarm at mtdata.com (Mike or Penny Novack) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:36:16 -0400 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] FW: matacf minutes aug. 2009 In-Reply-To: <8CBF0DEE49E0316-A2C-164C2@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> References: <002401ca2268$fb3c59e0$f1b50da0$@org> <8CBF0DEE49E0316-A2C-164C2@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A919A30.9080205@mtdata.com> > > For example, two of my Lincoln lines are replicated at Hawley. Why >shouldn't some of our F2 nuts from these Chelmsford and Topsfield lines >come from crosses in both places involving these lines? The alternative >would be for Lincoln to wait two years for Hawley to catch up. I really >don't see the point. > > > Perhaps more to the point, Kendra, why would you necessarily expect the same test outcomes under different environmental conditions? By genetics the pure Chinese trees at Hawley (elev ~1800', exposed to wind) should be more resistant to blight than the F1 controls and the BC3 trees but will probably test as highly susceptible. That's because they are already stressed to the survival point (I have taken the 2009 status measurements but not yet entered all the data -- but I can tell you that NONE of the surviving Chinese trees up there are achieving "treehood", at most being just smallish bushes and some of them appear to be going down to blight. Doesn't mean much if you genes say "seal up the infection site quicker" if your growth has already been slowed to a crawl by the harsh weather. The point is that not all of our trees can survive (do more than barely survive) at the Hawley site even without the blight. Our selection of individuals done at Hawley for relatively highest resistance and other desirable traits is including the trait "able to survive in the harsher climate parts of the chestnut's range". We can't do that selection except at a hash conditions site like Hawley. Michael From Fred at acf.org Sun Aug 23 16:04:59 2009 From: Fred at acf.org (Fred Hebard) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:04:59 -0400 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] FW: matacf minutes aug. 2009 In-Reply-To: <8CBF0DEE49E0316-A2C-164C2@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> References: <002401ca2268$fb3c59e0$f1b50da0$@org> <8CBF0DEE49E0316-A2C-164C2@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <37B7C57D-9546-4D92-AF87-D0F3468D4077@acf.org> I don't think Kendra was suggesting not selecting in both orchards. If trees in one orchard were inoculated a lot sooner than in the other, and adequate selections were obtained from the first orchard, and produced sufficient progeny to finish a line, one probably wouldn't gather nuts from selections in the second orchard. They would still be left to act as father trees in the second orchard. It would be foolhardy, under this scenario, to not go ahead and use the available nuts; one never knows for sure what next year's harvest will bring. Fred Frederick V. Hebard, PhD Staff Pathologist, Meadowview Research Farms American Chestnut Foundation 14005 Glenbrook Ave. Meadowview, VA 24361 Email: Fred at acf.org Web: http://www.acffarms.org Phone: (276) 944-4631 Fax: (276) 944-0934 On Aug 21, 2009, at 9:27 PM, johnviolin7 at aol.com wrote: > Kendra, > > It is unclear to me why we would not try to select the best of the > BC's > at both duplicate orchards of which there are many pairs. I would like > to know why such an arrangement would not actually cut down on > inbreeding by adding greater diversity. > > For example, two of my Lincoln lines are replicated at Hawley. Why > shouldn't some of our F2 nuts from these Chelmsford and Topsfield > lines > come from crosses in both places involving these lines? The > alternative > would be for Lincoln to wait two years for Hawley to catch up. I > really > don't see the point. > > I will get the pollination data to you as soon as possible. I am aware > of the need to, but stressed for time, as I have been putting in at > least 15 hours of orchard work a week all summer and often more. If I > were being paid for my work I'd be rich! > -----Original Message----- > From: Kendra Gurney > To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org > Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2009 10:09 am > Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] FW: matacf minutes aug. 2009 > > > > > Hi All ? > > > > I read through the mins and looks like there were a few questions for > me. I plan to make the Oct 3rd meeting, but will try to respond > briefly here. > > > > Selections and Rogueing ? > > > > Selections are made in a couple steps. A first round of canker > ratings > in the fall after inoculation should ide > ntify about ? the trees that > don?t have the resistance we are looking for. These can be rogued > out, > and now that I?m better trained on selections I should be able to get > that data to you more quickly. Then the following summer (ideally > before trees flower) we rate cankers again. Of those that rate the > best for resistance, we then look at morphological traits and choose > the most resistant and American-looking trees in each line. We will > probably keep the best two or three trees from a line in the orchard > and let them cross. Everything else will get rogued at this > point. My > understanding is that after the first year or so canker expansion is > more closely tied to environment than genetic resistance, so we > want to > get these ratings done in the first full year and then trust the data. > My one concern for how this will play out in the MA orchards is > that it > seems there are lines duplicated in more than one location. This will > make things a little trickier, but I?ll work with Fred and Sara to > come > up with a good approach. > > > > Data ? > > > > Yvonne and John ? please send me your pollination data. I attached > the > form I use, so please fill it in while the details are fairly fresh > and > send it my way. I should have the tree codes, so don?t worry if you > don?t have that, but pollen used a > nd all the bagging and pollination > info would be great. > > > > And yes, we need to get all the orchard data into the ?standard? > format. I?m happy to help folks with this, and have been plugging > away > at some of it myself. We can talk more about this is October, but I > would be thrilled to see more updated data, especially for the > orchards. (Wow ? that makes me sound really boring!) > > > > Orchard Maintenance ? > > > > I?m always happy to help organize orchard work days. You just need to > let me know if you need help that a work crew would be good for, > and we > can organize something. August and September are the best times for > general maintenance, as I?m usually pretty flat-out from planting > through pollinating. But please feel free to ask anytime. I think > there was a suggestion for an intern next summer, and realistically if > there is a lot of maintenance and upkeep that needs to be done around > the state, this would be a good plan. > > > > Annual Meeting ? > > > > I have the 15th on the calendar and plan to be there. Let me know if > there is anything I can help with or you would like me to present. I > visited the SKLT orchard while I was at ISA last month (great job with > the Arbor Fair!) and tentatively planned with Rudi Hempe to give a > talk > to t > he local groups involved with that orchard sometime in November. > Please keep me posted as the plans for the Annual Meeting firm up, > as I > would like to plan with Rudi around this date. > > > > Best to all ? > > > > Kendra > > > > > > Kendra Gurney > The American Chestnut Foundation? > > New England Regional Science Coordinator > USFS Northern Research Station > 705 Spear Street > South Burlington, VT 05403 > Tel: 802.951.6771 x1350 Fax: 802.951.6368 > > Cell: 802.999.8706 > Kendra at acf.org or kgurney at uvm.edu > > > > > > > > From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org > [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of > Yvonne Federowicz > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:00 PM > To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org > Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] FW: matacf minutes aug. 2009 > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > *** > *************************** > * > * MATACF Morning Growers Meeting 8/2/2009 Brian Clark's > Farmhouse, > Ashfield, MA > * > ********************************************************************** > *** > *************************** > > Present: Rufin Van Bossuyt, Charlotte Zampini, Mike Novack, Brian > Clark, Rich Hoffman, Bruce Spencer, Jaime Donalds, John Emery, Brad > Smith, Mike Meixsell, Guy Shephard, Lois & Denis Melican > Ruth Anderson, Mr. Anderson > > F1s are doing well in various place > Some have gone to SKLT, Glocester, Yvon > ne's yard temporarily > > Controls went to SK. Rufin planted short Nanking line at Dartmouth. > Dartmouth is having trouble > Riverbend may have gravel underneath, having trouble in areas > Exeter line went there. > Doing well, dug holes. > > Westerly still needs seedlings planted > > Pollinations: > YF did Exeter & E Greenwich Nanking, Exeter & Glocester -Clapper > John Emery did several also > > Brain Clark did a great job on the large Conway tree > > There is still an issue on how we can get the nuts ? Board meeting > issue on money expenditures > > Charlotte has agrifos/Pentrabark mix. Mix it just before use, wet > bark > completely. Becomes systemic. > > Inoculations done in June ? did 200-250 trees ? had two four-person > crews, that part worked well. Was a big job though. > Pre-chosen trees ? that was important. (flagging) with labels > Borer & marker, inoculator, taper, and recorder > Put two sets of holes in a few trees. That would make for a bigger > task though. > We moved fast, was fairly tiring. > > Rufin: early Medway ones are gettings much larger. All the moisture > has enabled many to put on 2-4 feet of growth, with no fertilizer. > > We would like more feedback from Kendra about what we are judging on > before we rogue things out. > > John Emery: EP inoculation sites are about 10% smaller than the > other... Could have been condition of the inoculant. Diameter of > colony s > houldn't matter. > > They do a snapshot approach on judging inoculation sites. > > Jamie & Charlotte: Orchard reports needed by September 15th. Easier > in the autumn to measure. > National would like the data for the annual meeting but Charlotte > needs > to compile them. > > We aren't all in National's standardized format yet... > > Stirling has no orchard manager at the moment. Two people is better. > > All F1s distributed this year were Upton x Fitzburg ? KJ1. > > Under 10 feet ? measure height > Over 10 feet ? estimate and caliper > > SK/MG orchard doing well > Glocester needs its pump ordered > > Westerly ? additional irrigation equipment delivered yesterday > Brian Pistolese ? 1991 TACF > > Might need calcium ? Mike N. > Soil test very important > Yvonne will ask the Master Gardeners > Scrubby white oaks there are also fairly short > > Rufin: orchard maintenance > lots of effort has gone into pollinating and planting > difficult when people have moved > > Conway and Stirling were left without managers for a while > Lancaster also > Stockbridge > Craig Moffit has back problems > > Lots goes into pollinating and getting orchard established > Mike M. isn't that a function of orchard location? > > Roving crew could help > > Can we get Kendra involved with the roving orchard maintenance? > > CT, VT, NH have been utilizing Kendra's time a lot > > Getting crews out to do maintenance is harder > > Making sure that each orchard h > as a monitor/manager > A lot of the work doesn't take much time > > Can Kendra help organize a work day? Bring out food etc. > An intern next year could be good. > > Next year pollinations: > One for John Emery's in Nankin > Possibly another for SK? > > Others? > > May do one or two more if we have good partners > Yvonne: suggested that new orchards be vetted partly on their > availability of people to help rather than just land. > > Jamie: we need people to look at what we have, it's difficult > > Letting people know when you have help important > > Can we assign Stockbridge to Kendra? Jamie will talk to Kendra about > Stockbridge > > Kathy: Vincent Hebert Arboretum interested ? lots of foresters > available but need to know what to do > > Organic mulches for Stockbridge > Yvonne will get name of organic fertilizer she used on blueberries > > Mike N.: our ?development? is different from many nonprofits ? it's > person -time > > Trustees of Reservations contact ? can they adopt an orchard? > > Lois: We should make a simple document to organize all the summer > tasks and share it > > > Next summer is lots of inoculations: Elder Hostel? Earthwatch? > > > Charlotte and Lois will work on the Earthwatch. > Trustees of Reservations ? how can we move that along? Guy is involved > in his local TR group. > We haven't heard back from the Mount Gracie person. > Anne Myers had contacted TR but nothing devel > oped ? they are active > inareas slightly different from us. > > Guy will try to make some contacts and get back to Jamie. > > Deer repellants tbd. > > Seed Orchard > DCR has been pro-seed orchard ? Lois and Denis. > A MOU is underway but still in the works > This is about the large seed orchard at Moore State Park. > They would send us a MOU > Denis: chestnut chocolate ice cream was made... it went over very well > with the DCR personnel > Ben & Jerry's should have a chestnut ice cream flavor... > Denis has promised us all some at our annual meeting... > > > Mt.Gracie might be willing to do an easement for a long-term seed > orchard > also Mike Novack has volunteered land > Charlotte: excellent fields near Wachusett Reservoir > Large open fields > DCR land also > > Existing orchards can be reused as a single ?block? for seed orchards > > Seed orchard maintenance will be different > Once selected, they just get to grow > Initially will be very close together > > Need water access or truck > Water buffalo not big enough for DCR spot? > > There is a well in the field nearby > > Mike Novack's area has plenty of water available ? stream that never > dries, several springs > > Need soil testing done on area ? Bruce Spencer > soil structure too > > Lois and Denis will get a comprehensive soil test done > > John Emery: should we plow/treat in advance? > > John Meiklejohn did plowing and it helped a lot > > > Nex > t year we could be doing crosses for the seed orchard, then plant in > 2011 > Do some test plantings, soil testings, irrigation, etc. next spring - > > > ********************************************************************** > *** > *************************** > * > * Afternoon Board Meeting 1:25pm Brian Clark's Farmhouse, > Ashfield, MA > * > ********************************************************************** > *** > *************************** > > Board Members Present: Jamie Donalds, John Emery, Brad Smith, Mike > Meixsell, Guy Shepard, Lois Melican, Denis Melican, Kathy Desjardin, > Yvonne Federowicz, Rufin Van Bossuyt, Charlotte Zampini, Mike Novak, > Rich Hoffman, Brian Clark, John Mirick > > Guests present: Ruth Anderson, David Anderson, Barbara Clark Graves, > Susan Clark, Penny Novack, Phil Ewnip(sp?) curator of birds and > mammals > at San Diego Natural History Museum, Nelson Cawkins an original MATACF > charter member, Bruce Cawkins his son, Judy Hoffman > > Brian Clark says farm has been in family since grandfather bought > it in > 1886 > Original farmhouse was up the hill > In the 1920s they added a second floor > Was dairy and apples, now just apples > > Chestnut orchard is up road,Hawley orchard is on another piece of > their > land. They have about 70 acres of apple trees - > Tens of thousands of trees > > Trees have gone in over several decades > Apples are the commercial crop. Whole Foods and Trader Joe's main > markets. > They use IPM > > * Treasurer' > s Update Mike > > No funds restricted right now > > Normally this time of year we'd be negative ? shows that we haven't > spent as much on orchard supplies this year. > > Rich Hoffman: he never gets notified if his donations to our chapter > thru National actually get to us. Mike N. does get that. No one has > asked him to verify that independently that we have the money in the > account? he will. Organizations should periodically verify this by > more > than just Mike. > > > * Jamie: we will ask Mike N. to bring in a bank statement to verify. > > Also members can send Mike note via email and he can verify that we > received the donation directly to chapter > > ********************************************************************** > *** > **** > * Motion: approve Treasurer's Report: Mike M., seconded Brad. > approved unanimously. > ********************************************************************** > *** > **** > > * Secretary?s Report: > Kathy: Membership is 337 members. Contacts: reports of possible > mother > trees, forwards to Charlotte and Rufin. > > At the ISA Fair we had a ?Learning Box? from National, it was very > nice > > Kathy renewed our mailing permit. > > ********************************************************************** > *** > **** > * Motion to Approve minutes from last time ? Brad, seconded Jamie. > Approved unanimously. > ********************************************************************** > *** > **** > > Our membership is down slightly. > It fluctuates a bit. Economy is bad. > > Kathy receDonations over $250 in a year require a special letter from > the donee. kathy will ask National how this works. We need at least > 1/3 of our support to come from the general public. > > Executive Committee ? how does this work? > > Jamie ? usually officers plus one at large. > > Jamie will use the Committee:Mike Novack suggests $1000 as the limit. > > Executive Committee is 4 officers plus past presidents. > > ********************************************************************** > *** > **** > * Motion: A phone bridge will be usable for Executive Committee Votes; > * expenditures will not exceed $1000. > ********************************************************************** > *** > **** > > Board of Directors should be notified when we decide to spend any > money > this way by the next Quarterly Board Meeting via Email and then a > report at the meeting. > Mike Novack. seconded by Rufin. Approved unanimously > > Tower Hill event: 25 year anniversary honoring John ?. Brad: let's > give a plaque from Guy with an inscription > > NC Newsletter has an article about a scientist who worked with Dr. > Graves, in Berkshires. > > Jamie and Brad will work on covering the Tower Hill event. > > The ongoing saga of the weedwhacker... > > Guy will donate a good steel weedwhacker to the chapter. > > Everyone thanked Guy. > > Chapter reimbursement for Jamie's travel. > > ************************************************************** > *********** > **** > * Motion: cover Jamie's autumn meeting National TACF travel not to > exceed $400. Guy. > * Seconded: John Mirick. Approved unanimously > ********************************************************************** > *** > **** > > > We should plan for this to be in the budget and not approve it on a > case-by-case basis ? John Mirick. > > Mike N. - we will be getting into a period of significant fluctuation. > John M. - usually in nonprofits budget is approved in advance, > Executive Committee can then go ahead and spend it as long as it does > not exceed this. > > Annual Meeting ? Location and Speaker > > Asian Longhorn Beetle? Guy volunteered to find us a speaker. Rufin: > oaks and beech are not preferred ALB hosts. > Federal people have mentioned chestnut but they could be meaning horse > chestnut. > > New National CEO could come ? Rufin? Perhaps next year after he > settles > in more > Lois ? Collin Novick is a very good ALB person from near Worcester. He > is very interested in chestnut. > National Grid facility in Worcester a possibility. Guy will look into > the spot. Brad ? we could also connect with other beetle groups. > Clint Neal also is with USDA ? came to speak on ALB. > > Newcomer sessions at Annual Meeting ? how elaborate should it be? > The Learning Box works well for that. > > Brad wouldn't mind making up an introductory slide show and bring > people up to speed quickly, > early on. > > 15 minutes before the meeting starts, Brad will hold this. > Opportunity > for questions. > Also a section: where we need help. > > ********************************************************************** > *** > **** > * Annual Meeting Date: Tentative is November 15th if this works for > the venue. > ********************************************************************** > *** > **** > > Kendra: not present. > > Rhode Island: SKLT: John Mirick to get them a modified Germplasm > agreement? Yvonne has the basic one. > > Westerly needs assistance (see morning minutes) > Has new orchard manager, Brian Pistolese. Will be getting soil tests, > etc. > Seed Orchard Development > John Mirick & John Meiklejohn. Very difficult to bind municipalities. > Private land can be difficult to obtain 30-year commitment on. MOUs > get something into municipalities but still can't bind the public. > Easement agreements for existing orchards. > Deeded easement vs. deed. Landowners might want a charitable donation > and deed property over. They would get fair market value deduction. > Deeded easement gives lower tax deduction,. (John Mirick) > > Would want access to water and a few other similar things. Particular > situations would differ. > John Mirick: at end of 30 years, what do we want with the trees and > land? Logs? > Land donations: we might be stuck with taxes to pay > John Mirick: getting a financial aid to people donating use of lands > is good > > In20a perfect world, what would we want from landowners? > > What is the minimum we can accept? > > ********************************************************************** > *** > ******************************** > Everyone: email John Mirick & Meiklejohn answers to those questions. > They will put together a report for the next meeting. > ********************************************************************** > *** > ******************************** > Lois & Denis will forward anything from DCR to Jamie. > > An electrician friend of D&L have put in solar-powered deer fencing. > Brian: solar fencing has been very reliable for them, more so than > regular > Leo Miller ? Friend of Melicans > > Rufin: Norcross Foundation has donated to the CT chapter, perhaps we > can get something from them as well > > Mike N: materials need to last 30 years > Jamie: try to get donations > > Trustees of Reservations > Rufin: Trustees were interested in having a seed orchard in Munson > but > smallish, better for demo orchard. however they do have a field that > is overgrown, needs work on invasives. Not sure about irrigation. > > Mike N.: Demonstration orchards vs. 4-blocks sizes ? less than 100 by > 100 feet ? can be put in. > > Rufin will look into site again ? would need to be investigated for > next summer. Josh from Trustees of Reservations > > Charlotte ? orchard report > John Emery and Yvonne did pollinations > We will have several inoculations to do next summer > > ?Trees in the Ur > ban Landscape? - Lois ? would like Chestnut Foundation > to do presentation ? Elm tree is part of it, can chestnuts be part of > this? > > That is 2 days before our annual meeting. > > Who can take the day off work... > Lois will find out the time. > > ISA (International Society ... Arboriculture) Meeting: > > We put together a table with display, talked to many people. Rufin, > Kathy, Yvonne, Guy - canopy, Learning Box from National helped > quite a > bit. Lots of spontaneous conversations. Tree Climbing competitions. > Tour de Trees > Different groups donated a great deal of money for research and > scholarships. > > Hazelnuts also will have to be crossbred to make resistant European > hazelnuts to an American disease. Rutgers and Oregon State have a > breeding program. > > > Spring National Board Meeting: proposal to have regional > representative on Board instead of States. Possibility of valid > points > with ?greenness? of some Presidents going in. Jamie wanted continued > Chapter representation but not necessarily Presidents. > > Mike N.: might be best to let Chapters decide. Might want President > or might want other. > > Some people thought Board was too large and too green. Some Chapters > elect a President for one year. > Susan Cormier had suggested that President can appoint someone to > represent chapter to National meeting. > > ISA has 37 chapters. Each chapter elects a Presiden > t and a delegate to > National. > > Rufin: make terms at least three years on National representation > > Some people are ?at-large? members > > Bennington Office being closed at end of year. Asheville is new > place. > Unknown if Daphne to continue. > > Orchard Signs finally all done! Paid for, etc. > > Elections: Is Frank Howard still on the Board? > Yvonne will email who is going to be over their term limits, who is up > for elections etc. > Would Dave Anderson like to be a Board member? > Lives in Lancaster. Jamie will give him a call. > > Denis: fall fundraiser at Moore State Park. What if it raised funds > for MATACF? Seed Orchard? Mid-October? Get a resistant chestnut > for > Governor of MA to plant next spring? media event. > > Denis & Lois did an excellent paper on chestnut for their class at the > Landscape Institute, passed them out. > > Might grow into a harvest festival with chestnuts in a few decades > > Please email Denis and Lois if you would like to work on this > > > Autumn Meeting: Let's shorten the growers meeting > > 1 hour for the autumn grower's meeting > > Start at 1 pm -> 4pm > > October 3rd 1pm-4pm > > Possibly Riverbend > > TACF President is offering Legacy Trees ? 25 seedlings > > Adjourned 4:22 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > MassChestnutOrchards mailing list > MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org > http://mrsga > le.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards > > _______________________________________________ > MassChestnutOrchards mailing list > MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org > http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards From Fred at acf.org Sun Aug 23 16:07:54 2009 From: Fred at acf.org (Fred Hebard) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:07:54 -0400 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] FW: matacf minutes aug. 2009 In-Reply-To: <4A919A30.9080205@mtdata.com> References: <002401ca2268$fb3c59e0$f1b50da0$@org> <8CBF0DEE49E0316-A2C-164C2@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> <4A919A30.9080205@mtdata.com> Message-ID: <7B5ED297-093C-40C6-8F89-74F43A75737B@acf.org> Michael, You merely select the best trees at each site. Fred On Aug 23, 2009, at 3:36 PM, Mike or Penny Novack wrote: > >> >> For example, two of my Lincoln lines are replicated at Hawley. Why >> shouldn't some of our F2 nuts from these Chelmsford and Topsfield >> lines >> come from crosses in both places involving these lines? The >> alternative >> would be for Lincoln to wait two years for Hawley to catch up. I >> really >> don't see the point. >> >> >> > Perhaps more to the point, Kendra, why would you necessarily expect > the > same test outcomes under different environmental conditions? By > genetics > the pure Chinese trees at Hawley (elev ~1800', exposed to wind) should > be more resistant to blight than the F1 controls and the BC3 trees but > will probably test as highly susceptible. That's because they are > already stressed to the survival point (I have taken the 2009 status > measurements but not yet entered all the data -- but I can tell you > that > NONE of the surviving Chinese trees up there are achieving "treehood", > at most being just smallish bushes and some of them appear to be going > down to blight. Doesn't mean much if you genes say "seal up the > infection site quicker" if your growth has already been slowed to a > crawl by the harsh weather. > > The point is that not all of our trees can survive (do more than > barely > survive) at the Hawley site even without the blight. Our selection of > individuals done at Hawley for relatively highest resistance and other > desirable traits is including the trait "able to survive in the > harsher > climate parts of the chestnut's range". We can't do that selection > except at a hash conditions site like Hawley. > > Michael > _______________________________________________ > MassChestnutOrchards mailing list > MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org > http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards > From Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu Wed Aug 26 19:07:57 2009 From: Yvonne_Federowicz at brown.edu (Federowicz, Yvonne Marie) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:07:57 -0400 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Which species? Message-ID: I just received this catalog in the mail. I have my theory about what type of tree... http://www.coldwatercreek.com/Catalog/eCatalog.aspx?Cat=F92&Size=LARGE From schoolmastersm at hotmail.com Fri Aug 28 11:55:19 2009 From: schoolmastersm at hotmail.com (Brad Smith) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:55:19 +0000 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Twitter Experiment Message-ID: Hello All, I locked up "masschestnut" as a Twitter address. I have done one experimental tweet which I will send to you. It's just another of those new media type networking options we should think about. Go to Twitter.com/masschestnut to view. If you want to make an account, you can go to twitter.com. Just be careful about putting on as much filtering as possible in your profile and settings so you don't get spammed. Brad _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mrsgale.fates.org/pipermail/masschestnutorchards/attachments/20090828/af05e0a1/attachment.html From j.johnmeiklejohn at comcast.net Sat Aug 29 11:58:05 2009 From: j.johnmeiklejohn at comcast.net (John Meiklejohn) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:58:05 -0400 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Granville ACF orchard news Message-ID: <84AEC690B9E54BE1AA80CF787B3E50A2@JHMSLMlaptop> Jamie & John Mirick: Re: developing a conservation easement for the Granville ACF orchard I was glad to see John has started the process of developing a template for easement agreements. He and I had talked at past mtgs about collaborating on this but we had not actively connected on it. Here is the status on my end for developing an easement agreement for the Granville orchard. With help from a friend I am slowly clearing the trees and brush from the remainder of the current fenced orchard area to create a space that will be about 3/4 of an acre. My understanding is that for BC3F2 orchards we want a minimum of 3/4 acre plots [please confirm that I'm correct here]. Once the new area is cleared the plantable area within the fence will be .70 to .75 of an acre based on my recent rough measurement. If this is too small for a BC3F2 orchard plot then I need to know and will stop the work of expanding this plot. Also, if the plot is not large enough for the next generation then there is little reason to create an easement unless we want to protect the 5-10 BC3 trees that will hopefully survive the innoculation process. [This BC3 orchard should be ready for innoculation next year.] Since I'm determined to use a portion of our land for a TACF-MA BC3F2 plot I've measured another field that is at least .75 of an acre. That too will take a bit of clean up to be ready for planting. It is not fenced but could be. I'd prefer to use the first field for the conservation easement with TACF-MA because it is set to one side of our main acreage and it already has drip irrigation installed. Could one of you or Charlotte or Fred confirm for me that the plots for BC3F2 nuts must be of a certain minimum size. Before I proceed with John on the conservation easement I want to be certain that I have chosen an appropriate area for the easement and for the next generation planting. On a different subject, I went up to the Granville State Forest last weekend to check on the Am. Chestnut that the State Forester had informed us about. The tree is about 8"dbh, shows no signs of disease on the main trunk, possible disease presence on an upper branch, and about 20-30 burrs. It would be accessible to a smallish bucket truck in dryer weather. It's about 50 ft down a woods road off a main road through the Granville SF. John Meiklejohn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just be careful about putting on as much filtering as possible in your profile and settings so you don't get spammed. Brad ________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. Find out more. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3210 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mrsgale.fates.org/pipermail/masschestnutorchards/attachments/20090830/9debdd77/attachment.bin From kendra at acf.org Mon Aug 31 11:36:46 2009 From: kendra at acf.org (Kendra Gurney) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:36:46 -0400 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Granville ACF orchard news In-Reply-To: <84AEC690B9E54BE1AA80CF787B3E50A2@JHMSLMlaptop> References: <84AEC690B9E54BE1AA80CF787B3E50A2@JHMSLMlaptop> Message-ID: <002e01ca2a50$dc526ca0$94f745e0$@org> Hi John ? To answer your question on seed orchard block size, you need one acre of space. I?d invite Fred or Sara to chime in here if there may be room to plant a block in ? of an acre, but I believe with the tight spacing there is less ?wiggle room? on the size than there is for a breeding orchard. Kendra From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of John Meiklejohn Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:58 AM To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Granville ACF orchard news Jamie & John Mirick: Re: developing a conservation easement for the Granville ACF orchard I was glad to see John has started the process of developing a template for easement agreements. He and I had talked at past mtgs about collaborating on this but we had not actively connected on it. Here is the status on my end for developing an easement agreement for the Granville orchard. With help from a friend I am slowly clearing the trees and brush from the remainder of the current fenced orchard area to create a space that will be about 3/4 of an acre. My understanding is that for BC3F2 orchards we want a minimum of 3/4 acre plots [please confirm that I'm correct here]. Once the new area is cleared the plantable area within the fence will be .70 to .75 of an acre based on my recent rough measurement. If this is too small for a BC3F2 orchard plot then I need to know and will stop the work of expanding this plot. Also, if the plot is not large enough for the next generation then there is little reason to create an easement unless we want to protect the 5-10 BC3 trees that will hopefully survive the innoculation process. [This BC3 orchard should be ready for innoculation next year.] Since I'm determined to use a portion of our land for a TACF-MA BC3F2 plot I've measured another field that is at least .75 of an acre. That too will take a bit of clean up to be ready for planting. It is not fenced but could be. I'd prefer to use the first field for the conservation easement with TACF-MA because it is set to one side of our main acreage and it already has drip irrigation installed. Could one of you or Charlotte or Fred confirm for me that the plots for BC3F2 nuts must be of a certain minimum size. Before I proceed with John on the conservation easement I want to be certain that I have chosen an appropriate area for the easement and for the next generation planting. On a different subject, I went up to the Granville State Forest last weekend to check on the Am. Chestnut that the State Forester had informed us about. The tree is about 8"dbh, shows no signs of disease on the main trunk, possible disease presence on an upper branch, and about 20-30 burrs. It would be accessible to a smallish bucket truck in dryer weather. It's about 50 ft down a woods road off a main road through the Granville SF. John Meiklejohn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mrsgale.fates.org/pipermail/masschestnutorchards/attachments/20090831/b5e4ffba/attachment.html From j.johnmeiklejohn at comcast.net Mon Aug 31 12:36:52 2009 From: j.johnmeiklejohn at comcast.net (j.johnmeiklejohn at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:36:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Granville ACF orchard news In-Reply-To: <002e01ca2a50$dc526ca0$94f745e0$@org> Message-ID: <1562393389.5656481251736612595.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hi Kendra, Thanks for getting back to me on this important issue.? To be absolutely certain, I would like a 2nd opinion from Fred or Charlotte on this issue of seed orchard block size as there is no purpose in my expanding the cleared area of the fenced breeding orchard if it won't meet the minimum requirement on size for a seed orchard.? John Meiklejohn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kendra Gurney" To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:36:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Granville ACF orchard news Hi John ? To answer your question on seed orchard block size, you need one acre of space.? I?d invite Fred or Sara to chime in here if there may be room to plant a block in ? of an acre, but I believe with the tight spacing there is less ?wiggle room? on the size than there is for a breeding orchard.? Kendra From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of John Meiklejohn Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:58 AM To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Granville ACF orchard news Jamie & John Mirick: Re:? developing a conservation easement for the Granville ACF orchard I was glad to see John has started the process of developing a template for easement agreements.? He and I had talked at past mtgs about collaborating on this but we had not actively?connected on it. Here is the status on my end for developing an easement agreement for the Granville orchard.? With help from a friend I am slowly clearing the trees and brush from the remainder of the current fenced orchard area to create a space that will be about 3/4 of an acre.? My understanding is that for BC3F2 orchards we want a minimum of 3/4 acre plots [please confirm that I'm correct here].? Once the new area is cleared the plantable area within the fence will be .70 to .75 of an acre based on my recent rough measurement.? If this is too small for a BC3F2 orchard plot then I need to know and will stop the work of expanding this plot.? Also, if the plot is not large enough for the next generation then there is little reason to create an easement unless we want to protect the 5-10 BC3 trees that will hopefully survive the innoculation process. [This BC3 orchard should be ready for innoculation next year.] Since I'm determined to use a portion of?our land for a TACF-MA BC3F2 plot I've measured another field that is at least .75 of an acre.? That too will take a bit of clean up to be?ready for planting.? It is not fenced but could be.? I'd prefer to use the first field for the conservation easement with TACF-MA because it is set to one side of our main acreage and it already has drip irrigation installed. Could one of you or Charlotte or Fred confirm for me that the plots for BC3F2 nuts must be of a certain minimum size.? Before I proceed with John on the conservation easement I want to be certain that I have chosen an appropriate area for the easement and for the next generation planting. On a different subject, I went up to the Granville State Forest last weekend to check on the Am. Chestnut that the State Forester had informed us about.? The tree is about 8"dbh, shows no signs of disease on the main trunk, possible disease presence on an upper branch, and about 20-30 burrs.? It would be accessible to a smallish bucket truck in dryer weather.? It's about 50 ft down a woods road off a main road through the Granville SF. John Meiklejohn _______________________________________________ MassChestnutOrchards mailing list MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mrsgale.fates.org/pipermail/masschestnutorchards/attachments/20090831/62b122fe/attachment.html From Fred at acf.org Mon Aug 31 17:33:10 2009 From: Fred at acf.org (Fred Hebard) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:33:10 -0400 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Granville ACF orchard news In-Reply-To: <1562393389.5656481251736612595.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1562393389.5656481251736612595.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: John, You need room for 20 plots of 38' x 38', or 2/3 of an acre. An acre is 43560 sq feet, but most plots aren't even in shape. You also need a 30-60' border, especially on the south side, to get full sunlight. Fred On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:36 PM, j.johnmeiklejohn at comcast.net wrote: > Hi Kendra, > > Thanks for getting back to me on this important issue. To be > absolutely certain, I would like a 2nd opinion from Fred or > Charlotte on this issue of seed orchard block size as there is no > purpose in my expanding the cleared area of the fenced breeding > orchard if it won't meet the minimum requirement on size for a seed > orchard. > > > John Meiklejohn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kendra Gurney" > To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:36:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Granville ACF orchard news > > > > Hi John ? > > > To answer your question on seed orchard block size, you need one > acre of space. I?d invite Fred or Sara to chime in here if there > may be room to plant a block in ? of an acre, but I believe with > the tight spacing there is less ?wiggle room? on the size than > there is for a breeding orchard. > > > Kendra > > > From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org > [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of > John Meiklejohn > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:58 AM > To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org > Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Granville ACF orchard news > > > Jamie & John Mirick: > > > Re: developing a conservation easement for the Granville ACF orchard > > > I was glad to see John has started the process of developing a > template for easement agreements. He and I had talked at past mtgs > about collaborating on this but we had not actively connected on it. > > > Here is the status on my end for developing an easement agreement > for the Granville orchard. With help from a friend I am slowly > clearing the trees and brush from the remainder of the current > fenced orchard area to create a space that will be about 3/4 of an > acre. My understanding is that for BC3F2 orchards we want a > minimum of 3/4 acre plots [please confirm that I'm correct here]. > Once the new area is cleared the plantable area within the fence > will be .70 to .75 of an acre based on my recent rough > measurement. If this is too small for a BC3F2 orchard plot then I > need to know and will stop the work of expanding this plot. Also, > if the plot is not large enough for the next generation then there > is little reason to create an easement unless we want to protect > the 5-10 BC3 trees that will hopefully survive the innoculation > process. [This BC3 orchard should be ready for innoculation next > year.] > > > Since I'm determined to use a portion of our land for a TACF-MA > BC3F2 plot I've measured another field that is at least .75 of an > acre. That too will take a bit of clean up to be ready for > planting. It is not fenced but could be. > > > I'd prefer to use the first field for the conservation easement > with TACF-MA because it is set to one side of our main acreage and > it already has drip irrigation installed. > > > Could one of you or Charlotte or Fred confirm for me that the plots > for BC3F2 nuts must be of a certain minimum size. Before I proceed > with John on the conservation easement I want to be certain that I > have chosen an appropriate area for the easement and for the next > generation planting. > > > On a different subject, I went up to the Granville State Forest > last weekend to check on the Am. Chestnut that the State Forester > had informed us about. The tree is about 8"dbh, shows no signs of > disease on the main trunk, possible disease presence on an upper > branch, and about 20-30 burrs. It would be accessible to a > smallish bucket truck in dryer weather. It's about 50 ft down a > woods road off a main road through the Granville SF. > > > John Meiklejohn > > > _______________________________________________ > MassChestnutOrchards mailing list > MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org http://mrsgale.fates.org/ > mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards > _______________________________________________ > MassChestnutOrchards mailing list > MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org > http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards From j.johnmeiklejohn at comcast.net Mon Aug 31 19:26:01 2009 From: j.johnmeiklejohn at comcast.net (j.johnmeiklejohn at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:26:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Granville ACF orchard news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <270408289.5857501251761161920.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Fred, Thank you for clarifying the space required for a seed orchard.? This fenced in area once fully cleared will have more than the 2/3 acre? needed.? It is irrigated, as well as fenced, and slopes to the south.? I expect to have maybe 7-10 BC3s survive the innoculation process out of the 175 that are in the orchard now.? My question to you is:? Will these remaining trees pose an obstacle or not to having a seed orchard replace this BC3 orchard? Gratefully, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Hebard" To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 5:33:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Granville ACF orchard news John, You need room for 20 plots of 38' x 38', or 2/3 of an acre. ?An acre ? is 43560 sq feet, but most plots aren't even in shape. ?You also need ? a 30-60' border, especially on the south side, to get full sunlight. Fred On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:36 PM, j.johnmeiklejohn at comcast.net wrote: > Hi Kendra, > > Thanks for getting back to me on this important issue. ?To be ? > absolutely certain, I would like a 2nd opinion from Fred or ? > Charlotte on this issue of seed orchard block size as there is no ? > purpose in my expanding the cleared area of the fenced breeding ? > orchard if it won't meet the minimum requirement on size for a seed ? > orchard. > > > John Meiklejohn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kendra Gurney" > To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:36:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Granville ACF orchard news > > > > Hi John ? > > > To answer your question on seed orchard block size, you need one ? > acre of space. ?I?d invite Fred or Sara to chime in here if there ? > may be room to plant a block in ? of an acre, but I believe with ? > the tight spacing there is less ?wiggle room? on the size than ? > there is for a breeding orchard. > > > Kendra > > > From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org ? > [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of ? > John Meiklejohn > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:58 AM > To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org > Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Granville ACF orchard news > > > Jamie & John Mirick: > > > Re: ?developing a conservation easement for the Granville ACF orchard > > > I was glad to see John has started the process of developing a ? > template for easement agreements. ?He and I had talked at past mtgs ? > about collaborating on this but we had not actively connected on it. > > > Here is the status on my end for developing an easement agreement ? > for the Granville orchard. ?With help from a friend I am slowly ? > clearing the trees and brush from the remainder of the current ? > fenced orchard area to create a space that will be about 3/4 of an ? > acre. ?My understanding is that for BC3F2 orchards we want a ? > minimum of 3/4 acre plots [please confirm that I'm correct here]. ? > Once the new area is cleared the plantable area within the fence ? > will be .70 to .75 of an acre based on my recent rough ? > measurement. ?If this is too small for a BC3F2 orchard plot then I ? > need to know and will stop the work of expanding this plot. ?Also, ? > if the plot is not large enough for the next generation then there ? > is little reason to create an easement unless we want to protect ? > the 5-10 BC3 trees that will hopefully survive the innoculation ? > process. [This BC3 orchard should be ready for innoculation next ? > year.] > > > Since I'm determined to use a portion of our land for a TACF-MA ? > BC3F2 plot I've measured another field that is at least .75 of an ? > acre. ?That too will take a bit of clean up to be ready for ? > planting. ?It is not fenced but could be. > > > I'd prefer to use the first field for the conservation easement ? > with TACF-MA because it is set to one side of our main acreage and ? > it already has drip irrigation installed. > > > Could one of you or Charlotte or Fred confirm for me that the plots ? > for BC3F2 nuts must be of a certain minimum size. ?Before I proceed ? > with John on the conservation easement I want to be certain that I ? > have chosen an appropriate area for the easement and for the next ? > generation planting. > > > On a different subject, I went up to the Granville State Forest ? > last weekend to check on the Am. Chestnut that the State Forester ? > had informed us about. ?The tree is about 8"dbh, shows no signs of ? > disease on the main trunk, possible disease presence on an upper ? > branch, and about 20-30 burrs. ?It would be accessible to a ? > smallish bucket truck in dryer weather. ?It's about 50 ft down a ? > woods road off a main road through the Granville SF. > > > John Meiklejohn > > > _______________________________________________ ? > MassChestnutOrchards mailing list ? > MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org http://mrsgale.fates.org/ > mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards > _______________________________________________ > MassChestnutOrchards mailing list > MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org > http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards _______________________________________________ MassChestnutOrchards mailing list MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mrsgale.fates.org/pipermail/masschestnutorchards/attachments/20090831/b5c50c3d/attachment.html From Fred at acf.org Mon Aug 31 20:59:50 2009 From: Fred at acf.org (Fred Hebard) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:59:50 -0400 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Granville ACF orchard news In-Reply-To: <270408289.5857501251761161920.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <270408289.5857501251761161920.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <9E66EBFD-FBF8-40E5-A8FD-838843F28A6D@acf.org> John, The most important thing you have in that orchard right now are the BC3s. Eventually, they would have to be removed when the orchard starts coming into production, but you need to be able to count on them for 5-10 years after selection, and ideally it would be handy to have them around longer than that. For that reason, it is better not to reuse land if possible. Once your chapter starts to generate B3- F2s, the nuts should prompt some people to offer land for planting. Are there other parcels near that orchard that might serve for B3-F2s? Our B3-F2 orchards are not irrigated, although they're fenced to exclude cattle. We don't have much of a deer problem, but there is some deer browse. Our care of older backcross orchards is minimal. We only mow B2s, but still weed, mow and fertilize B3s since we are still gathering seeds from them. Fred Frederick V. Hebard, PhD Staff Pathologist, Meadowview Research Farms American Chestnut Foundation 14005 Glenbrook Ave. Meadowview, VA 24361 Email: Fred at acf.org Web: http://www.acffarms.org Phone: (276) 944-4631 Fax: (276) 944-0934 On Aug 31, 2009, at 7:26 PM, j.johnmeiklejohn at comcast.net wrote: > Fred, > > > Thank you for clarifying the space required for a seed orchard. > This fenced in area once fully cleared will have more than the 2/3 > acre needed. It is irrigated, as well as fenced, and slopes to > the south. I expect to have maybe 7-10 BC3s survive the > innoculation process out of the 175 that are in the orchard now. > My question to you is: Will these remaining trees pose an obstacle > or not to having a seed orchard replace this BC3 orchard? > > > Gratefully, > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred Hebard" > To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 5:33:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Granville ACF orchard news > > John, > > You need room for 20 plots of 38' x 38', or 2/3 of an acre. An acre > is 43560 sq feet, but most plots aren't even in shape. You also need > a 30-60' border, especially on the south side, to get full sunlight. > > Fred > > On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:36 PM, j.johnmeiklejohn at comcast.net wrote: > > > Hi Kendra, > > > > Thanks for getting back to me on this important issue. To be > > absolutely certain, I would like a 2nd opinion from Fred or > > Charlotte on this issue of seed orchard block size as there is no > > purpose in my expanding the cleared area of the fenced breeding > > orchard if it won't meet the minimum requirement on size for a seed > > orchard. > > > > > > John Meiklejohn > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kendra Gurney" > > To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org > > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:36:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > Eastern > > Subject: Re: [MassChestnutOrchards] Granville ACF orchard news > > > > > > > > Hi John ? > > > > > > To answer your question on seed orchard block size, you need one > > acre of space. I?d invite Fred or Sara to chime in here if there > > may be room to plant a block in ? of an acre, but I believe with > > the tight spacing there is less ?wiggle room? on the size than > > there is for a breeding orchard. > > > > > > Kendra > > > > > > From: masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org > > [mailto:masschestnutorchards-bounces at masschestnut.org] On Behalf Of > > John Meiklejohn > > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:58 AM > > To: masschestnutorchards at masschestnut.org > > Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Granville ACF orchard news > > > > > > Jamie & John Mirick: > > > > > > Re: developing a conservation easement for the Granville ACF > orchard > > > > > > I was glad to see John has started the process of developing a > > template for easement agreements. He and I had talked at past mtgs > > about collaborating on this but we had not actively connected on it. > > > > > > Here is the status on my end for developing an easement agreement > > for the Granville orchard. With help from a friend I am slowly > > clearing the trees and brush from the remainder of the current > > fenced orchard area to create a space that will be about 3/4 of an > > acre. My understanding is that for BC3F2 orchards we want a > > minimum of 3/4 acre plots [please confirm that I'm correct here]. > > Once the new area is cleared the plantable area within the fence > > will be .70 to .75 of an acre based on my recent rough > > measurement. If this is too small for a BC3F2 orchard plot then I > > need to know and will stop the work of expanding this plot. Also, > > if the plot is not large enough for the next generation then there > > is little reason to create an easement unless we want to protect > > the 5-10 BC3 trees that will hopefully survive the innoculation > > process. [This BC3 orchard should be ready for innoculation next > > year.] > > > > > > Since I'm determined to use a portion of our land for a TACF-MA > > BC3F2 plot I've measured another field that is at least .75 of an > > acre. That too will take a bit of clean up to be ready for > > planting. It is not fenced but could be. > > > > > > I'd prefer to use the first field for the conservation easement > > with TACF-MA because it is set to one side of our main acreage and > > it already has drip irrigation installed. > > > > > > Could one of you or Charlotte or Fred confirm for me that the plots > > for BC3F2 nuts must be of a certain minimum size. Before I proceed > > with John on the conservation easement I want to be certain that I > > have chosen an appropriate area for the easement and for the next > > generation planting. > > > > > > On a different subject, I went up to the Granville State Forest > > last weekend to check on the Am. Chestnut that the State Forester > > had informed us about. The tree is about 8"dbh, shows no signs of > > disease on the main trunk, possible disease presence on an upper > > branch, and about 20-30 burrs. It would be accessible to a > > smallish bucket truck in dryer weather. It's about 50 ft down a > > woods road off a main road through the Granville SF. > > > > > > John Meiklejohn > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > MassChestnutOrchards mailing list > > MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org http://mrsgale.fates.org/ > > mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards > > _______________________________________________ > > MassChestnutOrchards mailing list > > MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org > > http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards > > _______________________________________________ > MassChestnutOrchards mailing list > MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org > http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards > > _______________________________________________ > MassChestnutOrchards mailing list > MassChestnutOrchards at masschestnut.org > http://mrsgale.fates.org/mailman/listinfo/masschestnutorchards From twitter-invite-masschestnutorchards=masschestnut.org at postmaster.twitter.com Fri Aug 28 11:56:59 2009 From: twitter-invite-masschestnutorchards=masschestnut.org at postmaster.twitter.com (Twitter) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:56:59 -0000 Subject: [MassChestnutOrchards] Bradford A. 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